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| 8703 | 119 | questioning the process | 1 | gene | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T03:02:01-0400 | i got an email from a customer this morning canceling an order. i thought i'd pass it on to you LN guys cause i thought that his opinion and my response might be of some interest. i'm sure that some of you will agree with him and others will agree with me. although this email is about my boards i'm presenting this as a general topic. i believe that many people still have a romantic vision of how their boards are shaped and on top of that many are misinformed or misled by the person shaping their board. i once had one guy ask me to handshape his board during a full moon. i obliged. i later rode the board and it was a dog so made him a new one. so much for a customers romantic vision. CUSTOMERS EMAIL Gene, I'll be honest. After visiting your shop and seeing a bunch APS3000 preshaped blanks and seeing your price list $1200 for a board sanded by somebody other than you, I lost interest in my order. Gene I'm 60 years old and ishapes, and production surfboards aren't my cup of tea. You still have a beautiful finished product. Good luck and Clean waves, ** MY RESPONSE hi **, it's a surprise to me that you feel that way, you seemed pretty stoked on my boards when we met. i would say that refering to my product as production surfboards pretty far off the mark. i believe that most production outfits can produce more that 3-4 finished boards a week! shapes- i shape every cooperfish, that's what we were making for you. i spend quite a bit of time shaping those boards after having most of the blanks precut by kkl. my programs leave a lot of room for interpritation and i feel comfortable that i'm giving you the highest quality custom shape that i'm capable of (by any means). i can shape from raw blanks(and often do) all day long and not get a better end product, for this reason i have a hard time understanding your point of view. how do my shapes look when they're done? i can tell without hesitation that i'm very proud of those shaping jobs. i … |
| 8704 | 119 | questioning the process | 2 | Benny | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T03:19:38-0400 | Just like superior craftsmanship, honesty is worth a premium to some of us. Thanks, Gene. |
| 8705 | 119 | questioning the process | 3 | lonedog | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T03:31:56-0400 | Benny wrote: Just like superior craftsmanship, honesty is worth a premium to some of us. Thanks, Gene. Click to expand... ditto. i'm proud to be a cooperfish owner, for many reasons, of which your integrity is among them. keep up the good work gene. p.s. chris a, let me know when your board is done and i'll "hold on to it for you" |
| 8706 | 119 | questioning the process | 4 | dewey | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T03:38:20-0400 | Right on Gene yours and Zeph are some of the best shapes out there.You both are great craftsman and I have know problum with a pre-shaped blank....... Keep up the great work dewey |
| 8707 | 119 | questioning the process | 5 | subgmt | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T03:54:20-0400 | My DeviceII is one of the finest boards I own, and I hope to own a Zeph shape soon. Great boards shaped by artists. I think if the fellow saw and rode the finished board, he would change his tune. |
| 8708 | 119 | questioning the process | 6 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T03:57:10-0400 | To what extent does the machine pre-shape these blanks? How much time to you spend shaping these blanks after they come out of the machine? I'd love to see a before and after picture of the pre-shaped blank. Before it runs through the machine and after... I was always under the impression that your boards were 100% handshaped....still some bitchin boards regardless |
| 8709 | 119 | questioning the process | 7 | Smokey | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T04:25:35-0400 | I agree w/ you 100% Gene. You could describe to him that you prices would be even higher if you had to shape the whole thing. He doesn't deserve one of your boards. |
| 8710 | 119 | questioning the process | 8 | Miles | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T04:29:03-0400 | Personally I kinda like the thought of the precut blanks to get you started. Then you are still fresh to put the finishing touches on them. And MB it doesn't really matter how much time it takes to finish shape the board versus the price because one is paying for the years of trial and error and experimentation (and years worth of uncompensated hours) to get to the master which is used to make the precut blanks. On top of that, you are paying time it takes for the INCREDIBLE glass work. The price hurts but I truly believe you get what you pay for. |
| 8711 | 119 | questioning the process | 9 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T04:35:55-0400 | mhc904 wrote: And MB it doesn't really matter how much time it takes to finish shape the board versus the price because one is paying for the years of trial and error and experimentation (and years worth of uncompensated hours) to get to the master which is used to make the precut blanks. On top of that, you are paying time it takes for the INCREDIBLE glass work. The price hurts but I truly believe you get what you pay for. Click to expand... It was just a question out of curiousity, had nothing to do with price compared to how long he takes to shape them.... |
| 8712 | 119 | questioning the process | 10 | silversurf | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T04:40:53-0400 | It's interesting that a lot of us who started surfing in the '60s still have this romanticized idea of what a "custom" board was then, and should be today. Back then, the big shops were producing boards by the hundreds, and it wasn't the guy whose name was on the lam who took that big slab of foam and mowed it down to its final shape. Heck, it wasn't even the top ghost shapers in the shop doing that. Usually, it was the shop rat, the young guy who wanted to learn to shape, who roughed out the blank. So which is better -- a barely trained 17 year old carving away before the master shapers came in for the day or a machine that is tuned and set to shave just enough and leave the final skill stuff to the master. The art is in the details, and that's what the great shapers do -- the foil in the rail line, the amount of V in the tail, the curve of the concave. That's where the skill comes in. So if a machine gets the blank to that point, and then Gene steps in, hey, I'm cool with that. |
| 8713 | 119 | questioning the process | 11 | aslbuck | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T04:41:04-0400 | his loss gene. i have seen your shop many times and talked to you about the process many times and have never questioned your prices because they have never seen out of line to me. for what you get, i am more than happy with the cost. gene takes great pride and concern in making sure his boards are the best they can be. heck, nevermind watching gene shape or glass a board, if you ever have watched him simply pack surfboards for shipping you'd be blown away by his attention to detail and how hard he works to protect the finished product. |
| 8714 | 119 | questioning the process | 12 | little AL | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T04:49:04-0400 | I seem to remember reading somewhere that Velzy had 2 or 3 guys ruffing out his boards and then he would finish them up. In the begining these guys did not even get paid for doing this, but as they got better they would make some money off each blank. Guy that went thru this were guys like Yater, Weber, and Noll. So what is the differance between getting someone to ruff out the blank and having a house like KKL do it for you? KKL will take out all of the bad spots and leave you with a nice clean skinned blank that has been trued and is ready to finish off. I have seen blanks that were cut by KKL and they are close but the shaper needs to do his thing to make it a surfboard, I have seen shapers walk over to a cut blank and say I can make you a board out of this, all I need to do is cut in the concave and cut down the tail a little and thin it out for you, thats a little more then finish sanding if you ask me. As long as I as the buyer gets what I ask for why should it matter who or what does the ruffing out? Many shaper in the old days had ghost shapers, and you never knew who was going to be shaping your board. At least with you Gene I always new that you did the board, not someone else. Your prices are right, and your craftmanship is amoung the best out there, and your boards are killer. Keep up the good work. |
| 8715 | 119 | questioning the process | 13 | surferchic5555 | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T04:55:52-0400 | Gene, Without a doubt you & Zeph have some of the most eye-catching boards on the market, hands down. From the first time I saw one propped against the wall at Malibu I was like "WOW! What is that?!" The noserides I've seen people get on your boards are unreal. Making boards for a living is no easy path (although I'm sure it can be quite mentally rewarding for you - as an artist who takes pride in your finished work.) So, as long as you maintain your integrity, no one can fault you. Keep up the great work. |
| 8716 | 119 | questioning the process | 14 | subgmt | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T05:00:27-0400 | My local shaper let me watch him shape my board, it took the better part of an entire day to complete (with breaks for eating, etc.). If I had to do all that, I would need a week to recuperate. If he wants to use a precut blank next time so he can save some time, that would be fine by me. The most interesting part was at the end when he was sanding the rails and fine tuning the contours, giving the board its personality. It gave me a new appreciation for shapers. |
| 8717 | 119 | questioning the process | 15 | chris a | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T05:05:23-0400 | Gene, how much to change my order and have it shaped by Moonlight? |
| 8718 | 119 | questioning the process | 16 | NJ Longboarder | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T05:33:13-0400 | You can't make everyone happy all the time. This goes back to the old saying about building/restoring cars. "You can make it fast, reliable and cheap. Pick two" I am surprised someone can complain about a price and an efficient way to shape in the same breath. Keep up the good work gene. The people that think your boards are over priced have probably never ridden one. You can put a dollar amount on quality. You should tell that customer that he is saving $200 from what us east coast guys are paying. If only we could figure out free shipping. |
| 8719 | 119 | questioning the process | 17 | Smokey | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T05:40:42-0400 | All I know is TIME=Money If he wants you to fully hand shape it charge him $2200. |
| 8720 | 119 | questioning the process | 18 | gene | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T05:54:46-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: I was always under the impression that your boards were 100% handshaped....still some bitchin boards regardless Click to expand... regardless? of what? sorry to ruin it for you MB but that was just a romantic vision you were clinging to. i do enjoy shaping new stuff from raw and do it often but if i'm making very many of the same thing then eventually shape one for programming. also, i have some programs that act as close tolerance blanks and just have my starting rocker and thickness'. next time you wonder why shapers use the machine these days throw away your pc, dust off an old typewriter, and write to all your LB network freinds via US mail and wait for their response by the same method. the quality of the conversations won't be any richer but they will take longer. i would be interested to see a list of the shapers(shaped over 1000 or so boards) that you(MB) think never used a machine. i won't enlighten you because most shapers want you to hold on to your vision. but as consumers become more educated i would think the taboo factor would disipate. to answer your question MB, its an average of 2 hours of actual shaping on a cut blank. if it's not cut then it's about 3 to 4 hours unless it's some big gun or something new, in that case i'll just keep going till it's done then look at it again the next day and clean it up more. i know i'm a putzer and that the production guys can shape from raw faster than i can shape from the machine. i got a lot of flack in my younger days for my lack of speed and my response to that is that putzing is what makes me happy. hope that clears it up for you |
| 8721 | 119 | questioning the process | 19 | surfore | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T05:55:23-0400 | Gene, you are one of the most stand up guys in the industry and it's reflected in the quality product you deliver, the level and character of the folks you employ and the stoke you put out in the surfing community. So ditto to what Ben said. A customer has a right to choose whatever product they want to buy based on the order of their priorities and where they assign value. You can't control those perceptions or feelings. What you continue to do is educate your customer and future customer by speaking to them and sharing your time and design process which is very valuable today. |
| 8722 | 119 | questioning the process | 20 | gene | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T05:56:53-0400 | chris a wrote: Gene, how much to change my order and have it shaped by Moonlight? Click to expand... ok, you buy the wine. |
| 8723 | 119 | questioning the process | 21 | g-coast | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T05:59:06-0400 | gene wrote: MonkeyBoy wrote: I was always under the impression that your boards were 100% handshaped....still some bitchin boards regardless Click to expand... regardless? of what? sorry to ruin it for you MB but that was just a romantic vision you were clinging to. i do enjoy shaping new stuff from raw and do it often but if i'm making very many of the same thing then eventually shape one for programming. also, i have some programs that act as close tolerance blanks and just have my starting rocker and thickness'. next time you wonder why shapers use the machine these days throw away your pc, dust off an old typewriter, and write to all your LB network freinds via US mail and wait for their response by the same method. the quality of the conversations won't be any richer but they will take longer. i would be interested to see a list of the shapers(shaped over 1000 or so boards) that you(MB) think never used a machine. i won't enlighten you because most shapers want you to hold on to your vision. but as consumers become more educated i would think the taboo factor would disipate. to answer your question MB, its an average of 2 hours of actual shaping on a cut blank. if it's not cut then it's about 3 to 4 hours unless it's some big gun or something new, in that case i'll just keep going till it's done then look at it again the next day and clean it up more. i know i'm a putzer and that the production guys can shape from raw faster than i can shape from the machine. i got a lot of flack in my younger days for my lack of speed and my response to that is that putzing is what makes me happy. hope that clears it up for you Click to expand... You tell 'em Gene! HaHa MB. Damn kids. |
| 8724 | 119 | questioning the process | 22 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T06:27:10-0400 | i dont believe it was the buyers real reason for queerin the deal i think he just tried to put it back on gene Regardless , gene wins cuz i agree, that wanker doesnt deserve one cooper redefines " MADE IN AMERICA" |
| 8725 | 119 | questioning the process | 23 | elkisthebastard | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T06:28:11-0400 | g-coast wrote: You tell 'em Gene! HaHa MB. Damn kids. Click to expand... I think he was just asking a few questions, not intending to insult. |
| 8726 | 119 | questioning the process | 24 | gene | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T06:34:06-0400 | elkisthebastard wrote: g-coast wrote: You tell 'em Gene! HaHa MB. Damn kids. Click to expand... I think he was just asking a few questions, not intending to insult. Click to expand... yeah elk, i didn't think he was insulting. hope i didn't come off that way. i like that monkeyboy guy. |
| 8727 | 119 | questioning the process | 25 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T06:40:18-0400 | "i like that monkeyboy guy" FYI gene, monkeyboy AND mro87 where lites with elastic bands on their heads |
| 8728 | 119 | questioning the process | 26 | northbeachboy | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T06:50:05-0400 | Gene, I'll keep it simple....When I ride one of your boards you and Zeph shaped, I am stoked!! I started surfing in 1963, and have owned and surfed many boards. Yours are the best! That fact, coupled with your accessibility, honesty, and stoke, remind me of how surfing culture was and should be. Thanks, and let me know how the Hornet is progressing Northbeachboy:dude: |
| 8729 | 119 | questioning the process | 27 | Miles | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T06:51:13-0400 | Drumhead Buddha wrote: FYI gene, monkeyboy AND mro87 where lites with elastic bands on their heads Click to expand... DH B's not kidding this time. I've seen it and so does that Lonesome Dog character. |
| 8730 | 119 | questioning the process | 28 | jason | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T06:55:50-0400 | you would be hard pressed to find someone that is willing to work with you on 'your' order as much as Gene... The first time I called him, he picked up the phone and was willing to drive a couple of hours just to show me a few used boards... I ended up picking up all 3, and he left with me still owing him $800. Try to find a shaper that believes in his/her product that much... not happening. ok, maybe one... Randy Rarick. Needless to say every time I work with him on a new board, or even a used one, he goes way out of his way to make it happen. As for pricing... He is still way under the curve, look at the Takayamas, Tylers and Tudors... IMO, none of the above even come close to matching his quality, so 'the price is right!'... In closing... buy Cooperfish. (he knocked a $100 off my next order for this BTW) j/k |
| 8731 | 119 | questioning the process | 29 | einsteinqrockefeller | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:13:05-0400 | [No message] |
| 8732 | 119 | questioning the process | 30 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:15:19-0400 | gene wrote: MonkeyBoy wrote: I was always under the impression that your boards were 100% handshaped....still some bitchin boards regardless Click to expand... regardless? of what? sorry to ruin it for you MB but that was just a romantic vision you were clinging to. i do enjoy shaping new stuff from raw and do it often but if i'm making very many of the same thing then eventually shape one for programming. also, i have some programs that act as close tolerance blanks and just have my starting rocker and thickness'. next time you wonder why shapers use the machine these days throw away your pc, dust off an old typewriter, and write to all your LB network freinds via US mail and wait for their response by the same method. the quality of the conversations won't be any richer but they will take longer. i would be interested to see a list of the shapers(shaped over 1000 or so boards) that you(MB) think never used a machine. i won't enlighten you because most shapers want you to hold on to your vision. but as consumers become more educated i would think the taboo factor would disipate. to answer your question MB, its an average of 2 hours of actual shaping on a cut blank. if it's not cut then it's about 3 to 4 hours unless it's some big gun or something new, in that case i'll just keep going till it's done then look at it again the next day and clean it up more. i know i'm a putzer and that the production guys can shape from raw faster than i can shape from the machine. i got a lot of flack in my younger days for my lack of speed and my response to that is that putzing is what makes me happy. hope that clears it up for you Click to expand... WOOOOOHHHHHHHH relax there biff! I was just asking a question, sounds like you are getting all bent. I had no romantic visions at all, I just thought you shaped them by hand hand and could honestly careless that you use a machine. Would you have preferred I just… |
| 8733 | 119 | questioning the process | 31 | surflugen | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:15:27-0400 | Nicely said Gene. People do not realize that it is the finishing work that makes any project shine. If that guy started to push for what he thought should be right. You would be starting all the way back to cutting down a tree and whittling out a stringer. Carpenters and cabinet makers do not start with a tree. There raw materials were pre-process, so there was not extra time wasted to get what they need to work with. Some people are so scared of computers that it is ridiculous to here their argument even though they would die if the accidently left there cell phone at home. I hope that guy gets a chance to relax and read into your email. Hopefully it will give him a change of heart, but I am sure it was more of a sorry excuse for the another unseen reason to pony up his cash. |
| 8734 | 119 | questioning the process | 32 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:27:30-0400 | gene wrote: elkisthebastard wrote: g-coast wrote: You tell 'em Gene! HaHa MB. Damn kids. Click to expand... I think he was just asking a few questions, not intending to insult. Click to expand... yeah elk, i didn't think he was insulting. hope i didn't come off that way. i like that monkeyboy guy. Click to expand... Oh wow I guess I should have read this post!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH You're all still a bunch of ass kissers!!!! |
| 8735 | 119 | questioning the process | 33 | BoardDesign | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:29:13-0400 | I can tell you first hand Gene stops at nothing to make every board a "homerun". Every step of the process 'ol eagle eye sneaks a peak, squints his eyes (or finds his glasses) and gives his approval (usually while listening to the "The Boss"... "Bruce" his favorite). These boards are "Born in the U.S.A." and the best quality your going to put your arm around. |
| 8736 | 119 | questioning the process | 34 | Smokey | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:33:02-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: gene wrote: elkisthebastard wrote: g-coast wrote: You tell 'em Gene! HaHa MB. Damn kids. Click to expand... I think he was just asking a few questions, not intending to insult. Click to expand... yeah elk, i didn't think he was insulting. hope i didn't come off that way. i like that monkeyboy guy. Click to expand... Oh wow I guess I should have read this post!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH You're all still a bunch of ass kissers!!!! Click to expand... Dumb ass! |
| 8737 | 119 | questioning the process | 35 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:34:45-0400 | pay no never mind gene u see, its got somethin to do with that lite on his forehead i tell ya. i swear it, its affectin him man, it just is. i was tryin to warn ya man, |
| 8738 | 119 | questioning the process | 36 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:35:16-0400 | I was so fired up when I read Genes first response to me that I didnt even make it to the 2nd page.....HAHAHAAHAH You should have seen what I was originally about to post....hahahhaha..... |
| 8739 | 119 | questioning the process | 37 | unforgiven | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T07:55:59-0400 | I've been in sales most of my life. For a decade I ran a kitchen and bath showroom .There was a competitor's showroom we would buy things from sometimes if we were out of stock. When I called Beth the competitor's showroom manager . I would say "how are you Beth?" and she would ALWAYS say.. " well I'm in sales ,so I hate all people". I knew what she was saying. I do love dealing with people for a living,but there are some real screwballs out there.ya just cant take it personal. Cooperfish and Coop designs are as good as surfboards get. You know it ,and most of us know it. thats as good as sales get. keep up the great work. |
| 8740 | 119 | questioning the process | 38 | NJ Longboarder | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T08:21:42-0400 | Smokey wrote: MonkeyBoy wrote: gene wrote: elkisthebastard wrote: g-coast wrote: You tell 'em Gene! HaHa MB. Damn kids. Click to expand... I think he was just asking a few questions, not intending to insult. Click to expand... yeah elk, i didn't think he was insulting. hope i didn't come off that way. i like that monkeyboy guy. Click to expand... Oh wow I guess I should have read this post!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH You're all still a bunch of ass kissers!!!! Click to expand... Dumb ass! Click to expand... Puh-lease. Compare this post to any post Smokey has related to a bing and you will really see some good ole fashion ass kissing. I was thinking about kissing Bing's ass once, but Smokey's head is always in the way. |
| 8741 | 119 | questioning the process | 39 | johnxyz | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T08:38:13-0400 | What other shaper (in the world today) crafts boards with the talent, skill and dedication (sweat & blood) of Cooperfish/Cooperdesign - Gene and Zeph? Other than Jim Phillips (and maybe Tyler) I can't think of anyone. All the oldtime,established So. Calif. LB labels appear to be just high volume production shops with a business model more focused on revenue and profit then penultimate quality (sorry to offend the Hobie's, Harbour's, Dewey's, Bing's etc.). Gene whats it feel like to be the best surfboard designer, shaper and laminator in the world today?! Probably makes you jump out of bed in the morning with a big smile to greet the day..... |
| 8743 | 119 | questioning the process | 40 | dand | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T09:35:51-0400 | :? I was nervous to click on this post. I'm always afraid of the "no more orders" thing -- I only have one board from Gene but want more. Not to slight any of my more distant relatives but hearing that there would be no chance of getting a CF in the future would be like finding out someone you hoped to see again had died. Not to kiss ass , but I think being surprised and upset to find out a board is machined is a pretty senseless, kneejerk reaction. Obviously, I don't know who this customer, but when I think of people that I know that have similar attitudes, they've been senseless and born out of some mistaken impressions about surfing and surfboards (and, often, "soul"). I'd much rather have a shaper be concerned with finishing quality shapes and still being able to 1) make money and 2) satisfy some of the demand for the boards. It's not as if Gene or Pavel or any number of the experienced and skilled shapers that use the machine are painting by numbers -- these are shapes they've developed and refined. Most of us would want some credit and benefit of perfecting something -- why is it so hard to accept that a good shaper needn't blow the foam himself, cut in the stringer, etc, etc? I can cut an outline. I can 't finish shape a CF (or, honestly, anything). Boards are meant to be ridden. The experience and skill of someone like Gene is in all of the boards he developed and set the standards for, even if the blank is rough cut. Gene - I think the shock that people have about this is a measure of why shouldn't be a legitimate or relevant concern... that someone, having seen your product, is shocked to find out it's not shaped by you from beginning to end shows the quality of what you're putting out. It's not like we're talking about cheap knock offs here. |
| 8744 | 119 | questioning the process | 41 | respectthepeck | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T09:38:05-0400 | why does any of it matter if it all works? why worry about the how in this part of your lives? i mean every other piece of consumer goods has a bit of mass production influence why should the surfboard be different. shaping machines aren't new they have been around for ever. buy what you like becuase it works, its astethically(sp.) pleasing and that you like doing business with the guy. seems like its pretty fair to streamline your process if your still comfortable w/the quality. why judge a guy trying to make a couple bucks. i am pretty sure there aren't too many super rich shapers...and if there are, go on 'em they make the best toys in the world. |
| 8746 | 119 | questioning the process | 42 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T11:13:49-0400 | excellent topic for a coffee klotch! |
| 8747 | 119 | questioning the process | 43 | Tony Mig | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T11:16:56-0400 | Drumhead Buddha wrote: excellent topic for a coffee klotch! Click to expand... Only if Harry & Beans coffee is being served........ |
| 8748 | 119 | questioning the process | 44 | PeakMaster | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T11:18:34-0400 | I usually do not weigh in on board design/quality posts as my overall belief is that it is not the fiddle but the fiddler. There are many goofs out there, no shortage of them on this forum, that spout all kinds of technical BS about board design, fin design, blah, blah, blah. Much of which, I am sure is al true. It all kind of comes apart when you see some of them surf. Now I have seen some Cooperfish boards. Have never had the pleasure to ride one. But, from what I have seen is, they are outstanding examples of old school craftsmanship in terms of build quality and design. If some coot thought otherwise, well, it's his money, but he's wrong. Free market, he can go elsewhere. I think Mr. Cooper laid it on the line, was straight up about the reality of the industry and was a stand up guy to present the situation as he did. Almost makes me want to buy a board from him...Which I am not ruling out. |
| 8749 | 119 | questioning the process | 45 | richard tator | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T11:30:36-0400 | I want one too!!! They are some beautiful thangs !!!!!, I know where the is a garage full of them!!! |
| 8750 | 119 | questioning the process | 46 | gene | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T12:52:00-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: Would you have preferred I just post a kiss ass response like most of the people on here ? Click to expand... YES!.......................HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA to all the rest of you thanks for puckering up. and zeph, maybe you could learn something from these guys you tearsforfears springsteen wham lovin' M*&%%#!$er Biff |
| 8751 | 119 | questioning the process | 47 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 25, 2007 | 2007-04-25T13:36:27-0400 | BIFF!! aaaaaaaaaggggggggggghhhhhhh i started tryin to get under mb s skin two days ago but i could only have dreamed of that reaction excellent!!!! havent seen mb like that since the previous lbn |
| 8754 | 119 | questioning the process | 48 | faceplant | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T00:13:54-0400 | I got a Roundlabel 9'8" mal foil II coming today hopefully (NY Shipment). the board was shaped by Zeph using a machine cut blank- I am very psyched, as I know Gene and co. place the utmost attention to details and the shape was fine tuned and designed by the master. Gene was a pleasure to deal with throughout the whole process and in my opinion his pricing is extremely reasonable given the time spent in fine tuning the design, shaping the blank and making those unreal glass jobs!! |
| 8755 | 119 | questioning the process | 49 | unfrozencaveman | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T00:53:58-0400 | hey gene! thanks for letting me and jocko come see your shop. i was and am still impressed and grateful. and howdy from TN - be back in socal soon. |
| 8756 | 119 | questioning the process | 50 | nedsurf | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T01:25:10-0400 | Gene - if I had the dough I'd buy that guys order. It has a story behind it, always a nice way to start with a new board. Just keep on doing what you do. |
| 8757 | 119 | questioning the process | 51 | box | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T01:33:15-0400 | At least Gene knows where to go if he is ever feeling down on himself. Definitely an emotional friendly forum. |
| 8759 | 119 | questioning the process | 52 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T01:35:00-0400 | where would u suggest MonkeyBoy go? |
| 8760 | 119 | questioning the process | 53 | lonedog | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T01:39:15-0400 | Drumhead Buddha wrote: where would u suggest MonkeyBoy go? Click to expand... www.teensgirlzrock.com/fourms |
| 8761 | 119 | questioning the process | 54 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T01:44:38-0400 | lonedog wrote: Drumhead Buddha wrote: where would u suggest MonkeyBoy go? Click to expand... http://www.teensgirlzrock.com/fourms Click to expand... ouch that hurts :X:X |
| 8762 | 119 | questioning the process | 55 | Guest | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T01:46:35-0400 | Gene - 1 Old coot - 0 Everything that I would have said, has been said. I'll just echo that Gene is truly dedicated to his craft and produces a product that imo, is unmatched in asthetics AND performance. Truly functional art -- like a finely hand crafted musical instrumnet. Furthermore, Gene stands behind his work -- which is more than you can say about many 'name' shapers. I have a couple of coops in the quiver and I'd be buying more if finances didn't get in the way. They are worth every penny. I haven't the pleasure of surfing anything shaped by Zeph but hope to one day soon. |
| 8763 | 119 | questioning the process | 56 | nedsurf | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T01:48:47-0400 | box wrote: Definitely an emotional friendly forum. Click to expand... Be careful - they can turn on you very quickly. |
| 8764 | 119 | questioning the process | 57 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T01:55:27-0400 | nedsurf wrote: box wrote: Definitely an emotional friendly forum. Click to expand... Be careful - they can turn on you very quickly. Click to expand... Box hasnt treated me the same ever since he got his own place at the beach. Now he doesnt need a place to stay! :shock: |
| 8766 | 119 | questioning the process | 58 | box | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T02:06:39-0400 | Its not you its Drumhead him and that van of his scare the hell out of me. I will stop by, dont you worry. |
| 8768 | 119 | questioning the process | 59 | BoardDesign | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T03:13:10-0400 | That's it.... I luv Wham!! So what?? If truth be known, I caught Gene in the shaping room crying to Barry Manilow!!! Usually he wears his I-Pod so you can't hear his Bette Midler or Barbra Streisand O.K.??? Yeah I said it, and that's only the "B" section of his I-tunes don't make me go to the "S's". You know what I'm talking about!! |
| 8769 | 119 | questioning the process | 60 | rapier_96 | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T03:55:14-0400 | BoardDesign wrote: That's it.... I luv Wham!! So what?? If truth be known, I caught Gene in the shaping room crying to Barry Manilow!!! Usually he wears his I-Pod so you can't hear his Bette Midler or Barbra Streisand O.K.??? Yeah I said it, and that's only the "B" section of his I-tunes don't make me go to the "S's". You know what I'm talking about!! Click to expand... I'm sure there are times when you catch him singing along.:shock::shock: |
| 8771 | 119 | questioning the process | 61 | twizzly | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T09:51:48-0400 | BoardDesign wrote: That's it.... I luv Wham!! So what?? If truth be known, I caught Gene in the shaping room crying to Barry Manilow!!! Usually he wears his I-Pod so you can't hear his Bette Midler or Barbra Streisand O.K.??? Yeah I said it, and that's only the "B" section of his I-tunes don't make me go to the "S's". You know what I'm talking about!! Click to expand... It takes a real man to admit to digging Wham! |
| 8772 | 119 | questioning the process | 62 | MoonShadow | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T10:12:50-0400 | This thread is getting to serious. Here's the Bing team at the 1998 Hobie classic at sanO. That's Saint Cooper on the left. Bing Attached files Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 8773 | 119 | questioning the process | 63 | dewey | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T10:41:25-0400 | MoonShadow wrote: This thread is getting to serious. Here's the Bing team at the 1998 Hobie classic at sanO. That's Saint Cooper on the left. Bing Click to expand... Thats Gene in the red sweats?Who are the rest of the team? dewey |
| 8774 | 119 | questioning the process | 64 | little AL | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T10:51:09-0400 | Well would you look at that, Saint Cooper has a longer Bing then MoonShadow. Whod a thought it. |
| 8775 | 119 | questioning the process | 65 | NY Surfer | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T10:55:40-0400 | MoonShadow wrote: This thread is getting to serious. Here's the Bing team at the 1998 Hobie classic at sanO. That's Saint Cooper on the left. Bing Click to expand... Is it me or does the board in the middle look like its missing the upper left portioning of the nose? |
| 8777 | 119 | questioning the process | 66 | gene | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T11:14:37-0400 | ok guys, bing's here so start behaving yourselves. especially you zeph. Attached files Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 8778 | 119 | questioning the process | 67 | MoonShadow | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T11:25:36-0400 | dewey wrote: MoonShadow wrote: This thread is getting to serious. Here's the Bing team at the 1998 Hobie classic at sanO. That's Saint Cooper on the left. Bing Click to expand... Thats Gene in the red sweats?Who are the rest of the team? dewey Click to expand... That would be L to R Gene, Don Craig, Me, Cody Craig, Tom Craig, Alf Laws and Doug Bunting. Except for me they're all great surfers. |
| 8782 | 119 | questioning the process | 68 | PeakMaster | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T11:48:08-0400 | The fact is, MB was right about the ass kissing attitude re: the original post. I don't own a Cooperfish although, I must admit, the ones I have seen look great. Now that Moonshadow has joined the discussion, the real ass kissing will start. Hell, there are so many of you on this board that fall all over yourselves to kiss his ass it's just plain silly. He cuts a post short and many of you have shit on your noses. I don't give a shit what all of your responses are to that, but rest assured I can dredge up all of the ass kissing prior posts. What was my point again? |
| 8783 | 119 | questioning the process | 69 | gene | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:09:17-0400 | PeakMaster wrote: The fact is, MB was right about the ass kissing attitude re: the original post. I don't own a Cooperfish although, I must admit, the ones I have seen look great. Now that Moonshadow has joined the discussion, the real ass kissing will start. Hell, there are so many of you on this board that fall all over yourselves to kiss his ass it's just plain silly. He cuts a post short and many of you have s&*t on your noses. I don't give a s&*t what all of your responses are to that, but rest assured I can dredge up all of the ass kissing prior posts. What was my point again? Click to expand... there's no shame in kissing some butt peak, so you others keep up. by the way bing, how many of those guys in the sano pic rode waimea that first day? see, that's how you do it. |
| 8784 | 119 | questioning the process | 70 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:12:34-0400 | (killjoy alert) so, as i was sayin to gene and bing the other nite over acoupla mighty tasty sangrias, |
| 8785 | 119 | questioning the process | 71 | little AL | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:17:54-0400 | I ordered a board from Gene a few years back, one great looking board, but I did not like the way it surfed, I was looking for a nose rider and Gene put a speed concave in it so it was out running the wave before I could get past trim. I paid some good money for the board and it was in great shape, so I was not sweat it I was sure if I just sat on the board for a while I would be able to get my money out of it. Well one day I get this email from Gene saying he had heard that I did not like the board and would like to have it back and he would make me a new one. Now there is a man that that stands up for what he does. So giving him a high five is not what I call kissing his butt. Mr Peak you need to take a chill pill, and to quote yourself, from another post"no one asked you". PeakMaster wrote: The fact is, MB was right about the ass kissing attitude re: the original post. I don't own a Cooperfish although, I must admit, the ones I have seen look great. Now that Moonshadow has joined the discussion, the real ass kissing will start. Hell, there are so many of you on this board that fall all over yourselves to kiss his ass it's just plain silly. He cuts a post short and many of you have s&*t on your noses. I don't give a s&*t what all of your responses are to that, but rest assured I can dredge up all of the ass kissing prior posts. What was my point again? Click to expand... |
| 8786 | 119 | questioning the process | 72 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:20:56-0400 | sorry al, we dont do high five anymore, ok? |
| 8788 | 119 | questioning the process | 73 | mro87 | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:36:44-0400 | BoardDesign wrote: That's it.... I luv Wham!! So what?? If truth be known, I caught Gene in the shaping room crying to Barry Manilow!!! Usually he wears his I-Pod so you can't hear his Bette Midler or Barbra Streisand O.K.??? Yeah I said it, and that's only the "B" section of his I-tunes don't make me go to the "S's". You know what I'm talking about!! Click to expand... Got me to laugh outloud on this one! Peakmaster wrote: "The fact is, MB was right about the ass kissing attitude re: the original post. I don't own a Cooperfish although, I must admit, the ones I have seen look great. Now that Moonshadow has joined the discussion, the real ass kissing will start. Hell, there are so many of you on this board that fall all over yourselves to kiss his ass it's just plain silly. He cuts a post short and many of you have s&*t on your noses. I don't give a s&*t what all of your responses are to that, but rest assured I can dredge up all of the ass kissing prior posts." True, very true... but some asses deserve to be kissed :shock: |
| 8789 | 119 | questioning the process | 74 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:40:34-0400 | maybe you all should start kissing my ass? I deserve it! |
| 8790 | 119 | questioning the process | 75 | PeakMaster | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:48:01-0400 | little AL wrote: I ordered a board from Gene a few years back, one great looking board, but I did not like the way it surfed, I was looking for a nose rider and Gene put a speed concave in it so it was out running the wave before I could get past trim. I paid some good money for the board and it was in great shape, so I was not sweat it I was sure if I just sat on the board for a while I would be able to get my money out of it. Well one day I get this email from Gene saying he had heard that I did not like the board and would like to have it back and he would make me a new one. Now there is a man that that stands up for what he does. So giving him a high five is not what I call kissing his butt. Mr Peak you need to take a chill pill, and to quote yourself, from another post"no one asked you". Click to expand... PeakMaster wrote: The fact is, MB was right about the ass kissing attitude re: the original post. I don't own a Cooperfish although, I must admit, the ones I have seen look great. Now that Moonshadow has joined the discussion, the real ass kissing will start. Hell, there are so many of you on this board that fall all over yourselves to kiss his ass it's just plain silly. He cuts a post short and many of you have s&*t on your noses. I don't give a s&*t what all of your responses are to that, but rest assured I can dredge up all of the ass kissing prior posts. What was my point again? Click to expand... PeakMaster wrote: LargeAl, You must feel that you were among the ass kissing populace. I never cited you directly, but if the shoe fits...go for it. I still stand by what I stated originally, I think Mr. Cooper is/was a stand up guy for telling the true story. I don't want his autograph for doing so. I also understand MB's point about the incessant ass kissing that transpires here whenever a shaper or name of note drops in. They are guys that are good at what they do. I suspect there are many such people on this forum. … |
| 8791 | 119 | questioning the process | 76 | mro87 | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:48:37-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: maybe you all should start kissing my ass? I deserve it! Click to expand... Yes he does. MB, o great surfer of the cold north you, who brings sunshine to us lesser mortals with your mere presence, thank you, o thank you for your intellect (which is confused here by feeble minds as weirdness), and your wisdom, and your inspiration to be as stylish and as good a surfer as you are. |
| 8792 | 119 | questioning the process | 77 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:51:55-0400 | Dig it Mario, I dig it. You are my most favorite Puerto Rican ever!:dude: |
| 8793 | 119 | questioning the process | 78 | PeakMaster | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T12:55:01-0400 | mro87 wrote: True, very true... but some asses deserve to be kissed :shock: Click to expand... mro...true, true...just doubt they are ones sitting on this forum!:dude: |
| 8796 | 119 | questioning the process | 79 | tentoesed | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T13:44:23-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: maybe you all should start kicking my ass? I deserve it! Click to expand... Oh, okay. |
| 8797 | 119 | questioning the process | 80 | tentoesed | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T13:47:57-0400 | Drumhead Buddha wrote: (killjoy alert) so, as i was sayin to gene and bing the other nite over acoupla mighty tasty sangrias, Click to expand... Drumhead, what a frikkin' namedropper you are! |
| 8799 | 119 | questioning the process | 81 | tentoesed | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T14:15:50-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: You're all still a bunch of ass kissers!!!! Click to expand... 'could care less what anyone thinks. I admire the quality and detail in my CF's and after meeting Zeph and dealing with Gene, my next custom will be coming out of their production. Now it's just a matter of time and thought to what design. P.S. knowing, after I met Zeph, about the scanning and shaping, I actually have MORE confidence in the product. I think this process actually reduces anomalies that would tend for the negative,perhaps allowing for more nuanced interpretation for performance in rail and other spec.refinement. (?) For a little more ass kissing: I also appreciate the fact that Gene is a "putzer" which means to me, one who doesn't rush but waits for their eye to judge when something is ready to deliver. |
| 8800 | 119 | questioning the process | 82 | Benny | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T14:21:51-0400 | You definitely don't want a Sugar, then, Ed. I'm the opposite of a putzer - I want it now. Flat spot? Looks fine from here. Bulgy curve? Can't see it from my house. Dry spot in the glass? I'll ding it before that delams anyway. Dimension off? Easier to lean over a bit than to fix it. Too heavy? I won't have a beer for a week. (Yeah. As if. ) So, stick with those Cooperfish. I am. |
| 8801 | 119 | questioning the process | 83 | tentoesed | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T14:35:36-0400 | Haha Benny, that's funny,but for R&D I think that attitude can actually be useful, then go for more of the refinements. I'm actually looking forward to trying one of your boards sometime. |
| 8802 | 119 | questioning the process | 84 | waveslider | Apr 26, 2007 | 2007-04-26T14:48:59-0400 | well my new 10'+ malibu foil is parked on my bed right now. shes been in my possession now for about 2 hours and i couldnt be more stoked. the pins came out insane the color between the stringers is oh so pretty and the rails feel like butter. if it wasnt 1045 at night id go throw on a wetsuit wax her up and paddle around. i can tell already this board is gonna be woaah. thanks again gene. zeph craftsmanship looks top notch. ill give you guys a rundown on it once i surf her. either of you want to make me a 7' Mini Hornet? pretty please |
| 8804 | 119 | questioning the process | 85 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-26T22:21:50-0400 | tentoesed wrote: MonkeyBoy wrote: maybe you all should start kicking my ass? I deserve it! Click to expand... Oh, okay. Click to expand... Fightiing is never the answer Ed. |
| 8805 | 119 | questioning the process | 86 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-26T22:59:28-0400 | tentoesed wrote: P.S. knowing, after I met Zeph, about the scanning and shaping, I actually have MORE confidence in the product. I think this process actually reduces anomalies that would tend for the negative,perhaps allowing for more nuanced interpretation for performance in rail and other spec.refinement. (?) For a little more ass kissing: I also appreciate the fact that Gene is a "putzer" which means to me, one who doesn't rush but waits for their eye to judge when something is ready to deliver. Click to expand... You see Ed and the rest of you. I didnt get to meet Gene or Zeph and get to see their scanning and shaping process in person. I posted those questions to Gene because I was trying to understand how the process works and maybe learn something. Unfortunately they werent taken that way instead Miles and others read between the lines and thought that I was questioning Gene's pricing and that just snow balled into this thread of crap. The people that I was directing the ass kissing comments to were the ones that didnt know Gene used the machine and didnt ask a question or try to learn something instead they post a comment about how much they love him and his boards. To each his own..... |
| 8806 | 119 | questioning the process | 87 | Tony Mig | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-26T23:17:10-0400 | It wasn't so much the question MonkeyBoy, it was the sarcastic tone in your voice when you asked it....... (sounds like something I say to my son)......:? |
| 8809 | 119 | questioning the process | 88 | Drumhead Buddha | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T00:03:10-0400 | tentoesed wrote: I'm actually leaning forward when trying your boards Click to expand... :shock: |
| 8810 | 119 | questioning the process | 89 | g-coast | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T00:09:38-0400 | Benny wrote: Too heavy? I won't have a beer for a week. Click to expand... Now that's just plain ludicrous!:shock: WWCGD(What Would Cort Goin Do?) |
| 8811 | 119 | questioning the process | 90 | MonkeyBoy | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T00:14:21-0400 | Tony Mig wrote: It wasn't so much the question MonkeyBoy, it was the sarcastic tone in your voice when you asked it....... (sounds like something I say to my son)......:? Click to expand... How can you tell if I am being sarcastic over the interenet? Thats the problem with this medium. In no way was I meaning to be sarcastic.... Oh well |
| 8812 | 119 | questioning the process | 91 | g-coast | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T00:18:32-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: Thats the problem with this medium. Click to expand... If the medium don't fit.....try a large |
| 8815 | 119 | questioning the process | 92 | Miles | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T01:44:36-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: How can you tell if I am being sarcastic over the interenet? Thats the problem with this medium. In no way was I meaning to be sarcastic.... Oh well Click to expand... MB, you are definitely right about the internet and that's why I suggested in another thread to use more emoticons, though, I don't think they would have helped in this case. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was jumping on you. On the other hand, I do find that I have to be careful not to read alot into some of the stuff that is posted by NY and NJ guys (and transplanted versions thereof) because a lot of times it initially comes off as, shall I say, un-cordial for lack of a better all emcompassing phrase. I think its a difference in local attitudes and being used to a way of talking. However, everyone I've personally met from up there (and PA. too ) have been great. Regards, Miles |
| 8816 | 119 | questioning the process | 93 | dewey | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T01:55:06-0400 | g-coast wrote: MonkeyBoy wrote: Thats the problem with this medium. Click to expand... If the medium don't fit.....try a large Click to expand... Hey speaking of Medium and large.Is there any COOPERFISH T-shirts to be had?Don't think I have ever seen one.How about it Gene is this something that might be in the works??? dewey |
| 8817 | 119 | questioning the process | 94 | gene | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T02:14:16-0400 | MonkeyBoy wrote: I posted those questions to Gene because I was trying to understand how the process works and maybe learn something. Unfortunately they werent taken that way instead Miles and others read between the lines and thought that I was questioning Gene's pricing and that just snow balled into this thread of crap. Click to expand... hi mb, i started this thead to clear up misconceptions about how boards are built today. that is that all shapers that have a number of boards under their belt do a combination of hand shaping and shaping from programs and that this process brings you a better product. i also wanted to make clear that (like always) it takes a good craftsman to build a surfboard right. Image processing. Refresh page to view your questions were valid and i answered them to the best of my ability. i didn't take them negatively. these threads always go wherever they go (i actually find the most entertainment in the ones go bad) and i think this thead was fun and informative. by the way monkey boy, your a rebel! |
| 8818 | 119 | questioning the process | 95 | elkisthebastard | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T02:17:36-0400 | PeakMaster wrote: little AL wrote: I ordered a board from Gene a few years back, one great looking board, but I did not like the way it surfed, I was looking for a nose rider and Gene put a speed concave in it so it was out running the wave before I could get past trim. I paid some good money for the board and it was in great shape, so I was not sweat it I was sure if I just sat on the board for a while I would be able to get my money out of it. Well one day I get this email from Gene saying he had heard that I did not like the board and would like to have it back and he would make me a new one. Now there is a man that that stands up for what he does. So giving him a high five is not what I call kissing his butt. Mr Peak you need to take a chill pill, and to quote yourself, from another post"no one asked you". Click to expand... PeakMaster wrote: The fact is, MB was right about the ass kissing attitude re: the original post. I don't own a Cooperfish although, I must admit, the ones I have seen look great. Now that Moonshadow has joined the discussion, the real ass kissing will start. Hell, there are so many of you on this board that fall all over yourselves to kiss his ass it's just plain silly. He cuts a post short and many of you have s&*t on your noses. I don't give a s&*t what all of your responses are to that, but rest assured I can dredge up all of the ass kissing prior posts. What was my point again? Click to expand... PeakMaster wrote: LargeAl, You must feel that you were among the ass kissing populace. I never cited you directly, but if the shoe fits...go for it. I still stand by what I stated originally, I think Mr. Cooper is/was a stand up guy for telling the true story. I don't want his autograph for doing so. I also understand MB's point about the incessant ass kissing that transpires here whenever a shaper or name of note drops in. They are guys that are good at what they do. I suspect there are many such people on this forum. … |
| 8819 | 119 | questioning the process | 96 | g-coast | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T02:48:28-0400 | BoardDesign wrote: I caught Gene in the shaping room crying to Barry Manilow!!! Click to expand... There's nuthing wrong with that gene-o my man. I still cry to Simon And Garfunkel. Usually after a few beers or white zin. Takes me back to being a tyke and fond memories of my folks and growing up in Maryland herding sheep. . |
| 8820 | 119 | questioning the process | 97 | BoardDesign | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T03:19:23-0400 | Give it up G-Coast... He's never going to admit to it.... It's always something like "Oh it's foam dust in my eyes, I need a better respirator... GOSH". Yesterday it was actually the Carpenters, he's never been the same since Karen left us. Snivel Snivel...Blot Blot.... |
| 8821 | 119 | questioning the process | 98 | g-coast | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T03:27:08-0400 | Hahaha BD. Man, that Karen Carpenter has(had) an awesome voice. I could have seen me and her making beautiful music together,,,except that I'm in to fat chics. There's nuthin wrong with Neil Diamond either(voice-wise that is,,,not like me and Neil would make beautiful music together,,,,,he's not fat and he's not a chic).:dude: |
| 8823 | 119 | questioning the process | 99 | elkisthebastard | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T03:46:36-0400 | Just think, if Mamma Cass had given Karen that ham sandwich, they'd both be with us today... |
| 8824 | 119 | questioning the process | 100 | g-coast | Apr 27, 2007 | 2007-04-27T03:51:26-0400 | elkisthebastard wrote: Just think, if Mamma Cass had given Karen that ham sandwich, they'd both be with us today... Click to expand... Now that's something to think about! Classic. Thanks for the laugh bastard! |
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