post_id,thread_id,thread_title,post_number,author_username,post_date,post_date_iso,post_body 127666,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,21,miscreant,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-05T21:58:16-0500,"applekat said: I did. What's your question. Click to expand... applekat said: I do. PM me. Click to expand... The one you were referencing when you said the above quoted." 127670,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,22,applekat,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-05T22:07:29-0500,"We're still waiting on your earth-shattering surf question, Mike.. (Let's hope it's legit) ...." 127672,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,23,applekat,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-05T22:11:30-0500,"keep it formal. (So we can all enjoy) Go." 127673,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,24,miscreant,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-05T22:20:50-0500,"applekat said: We're still waiting on your earth-shattering surf question, Mike.. (Let's hope it's legit) .... Click to expand... Are you talking about you and your cats when you use the word ""we"". I'm still waiting on your answer. However, I'm beginning to think you don't a actually have any information regarding the topic I've asked about. It's starting to feel like your comments are just for your own entertainment. Maybe someone will come across this thread and share some information regarding my question that you claimed you had an answer to, but don't actually seem to." 127674,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,25,northbeachboy,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-05T23:11:14-0500,"Mike...I wish I had more information available to answer your question. I do know that Gene and Lance do share some shaping space with Adam Davenport in Ventura, and Adam does a lot of glassing for both. That is the only connection I know of, other than the fact that Gene has shaped a fair number of bitchin' Vs, having done one that I had the experience of owning/riding while I lived on the East Coast.." 127675,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,26,miscreant,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-05T23:28:02-0500,"northbeachboy said: Mike...I wish I had more information available to answer your question. I do know that Gene and Lance do share some shaping space with Adam Davenport in Ventura, and Adam does a lot of glassing for both. That is the only connection I know of, other than the fact that Gene has shaped a fair number of bitchin' Vs, having done one that I had the experience of owning/riding while I lived on the East Coast.. Click to expand... Copy that. I'm aware of what you mention above." 127679,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,27,OCSURFER32,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T06:52:02-0500,"the action of working with someone to produce or create something. ""he wrote on art and architecture in collaboration with John Betjeman""" 127685,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,28,Left Coast 46,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T09:01:49-0500,UMM..... HUH? I don;t under stand the question or the answer. Miscreant you seem a little on edge. Kind of argumentative... You OK? Let's schedule you an appointment to come sit on my couch so we can discuss your childhood. 127686,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,29,Chilly Willy,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T09:07:20-0500,"Looks sweet! Okay, I've gotta ask: what's the deal with V-bottoms? School me a bit. I thought V-bottoms were a thing for a short while in the late 60s and then the industry as a whole pretty much passed on them. I seem to remember hearing that they spun out too easily. Why is it back and what improvements have been made to make it a thing again? I know there are some V-bottom fanatics out there (I'm looking at you, @shadydave ). What's all the hype about, and why?" 127689,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,30,miscreant,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T09:47:57-0500,"Left Coast 46 said: UMM..... HUH? I don;t under stand the question or the answer. Miscreant you seem a little on edge. Kind of argumentative... You OK? Let's schedule you an appointment to come sit on my couch so we can discuss your childhood. Click to expand... Your concern is noteworthy. Your comment seems argumentative." 127690,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,31,miscreant,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T09:54:45-0500,"Chilly Willy said: Looks sweet! Okay, I've gotta ask: what's the deal with V-bottoms? School me a bit. I thought V-bottoms were a thing for a short while in the late 60s and then the industry as a whole pretty much passed on them. I seem to remember hearing that they spun out too easily. Why is it back and what improvements have been made to make it a thing again? I know there are some V-bottom fanatics out there (I'm looking at you, @shadydave ). What's all the hype about, and why? Click to expand... The 2 V bottoms i had from Gene were super fun. I was amazed how they would trim through flat sections, and how they would regain speed from big turns." 127691,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,32,SeniorGrom,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T10:39:07-0500,"Left Coast 46 said: UMM..... HUH? I don;t under stand the question or the answer. Miscreant you seem a little on edge. Kind of argumentative... You OK? Let's schedule you an appointment to come sit on my couch so we can discuss your childhood. Click to expand... At times there's a pattern I've noticed. Mike will remain focused on shapers that he once had a close relationship with. After the falling out, there remains an edge whenever those names are mentioned. Apparently even in connection with other shapers. All conjecture on my part of course." 127694,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,33,shadydave,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T11:07:48-0500,"Chilly Willy said: Looks sweet! Okay, I've gotta ask: what's the deal with V-bottoms? School me a bit. I thought V-bottoms were a thing for a short while in the late 60s and then the industry as a whole pretty much passed on them. I seem to remember hearing that they spun out too easily. Why is it back and what improvements have been made to make it a thing again? I know there are some V-bottom fanatics out there (I'm looking at you, @shadydave ). What's all the hype about, and why? Click to expand... I know nothing, I recommend you do not drink the kool-aid" 127696,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,34,miscreant,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T11:39:46-0500,"Here's a bit where lance talks about V bottoms: You have to scroll some http://www.lancecarsonsurfboards.com/history_pintail.html" 127710,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,35,Makawaosurfer93,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T16:18:51-0500,Sounds as if you have your answer via the internet. Maybe ask Lance or Gene to get a more concise answer to your question. I think Gene may have an account here. 127711,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,36,Freddibetts,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T16:47:50-0500,"I missed these little tussles that pop up from time to time, nice to see the forum back in action." 127712,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,37,miscreant,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T17:52:03-0500,"Makawaosurfer93 said: Sounds as if you have your answer via the internet. Maybe ask Lance or Gene to get a more concise answer to your question. I think Gene may have an account here. Click to expand... If anything, it seems that bit I found on Lance's page ads mystery to the idea. Who knows? I'm guessing there is more to it than Lance just waking up one day and saying ""I'm going to make V bottoms"". Maybe not." 127713,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,38,applekat,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T18:01:07-0500,"miscreant said: If anything, it seems that bit I found on Lance's page ads mystery to the idea. Who knows? I'm guessing there is more to it than Lance just waking up one day and saying ""I'm going to make V bottoms"". Maybe not. Click to expand... ...oh there is...trust me." 127715,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,39,applekat,"Feb 6, 2018",2018-02-06T18:10:42-0500, 127723,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,40,Freddibetts,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T20:48:10-0500,Looks like You shouldv PMd him 127724,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,41,ac95,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T21:01:47-0500,Do you think Lance Carson is capable/qualified to be part of such colaboration. 127729,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,42,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T21:40:25-0500,"Freddibetts said: Looks like You shouldv PMd him Click to expand... Nah. If anyone had any more info worth sharing they would. Lance's inspiration to collaborate with Gene on V bottoms is not this interesting. If someone had something on it, I'd be keen to hear it. However, I think leaving it like this is good for our resident ailurophile. It's going to remain as it is. Lance is on record saying he had nothing to do with them, now he has something to do with them. Fun stuff." 127730,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,43,SeniorGrom,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T21:44:56-0500,Please give them your input on the proper fin position. That way they’ll be sure to get it right. 127732,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,44,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T22:17:33-0500,"SeniorGrom said: Please give them your input on the proper fin position. That way they'll be sure to get it right. Click to expand... Is this an inner monologue you're having as you work on your current project?" 127733,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,45,icecreamheadache,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T22:20:17-0500,"I like Lance. I met him a few years ago. At the fairgrounds in Ventura during one of those Scott Bass shows that by name sounded vaguely like a half-rate church that might be located in one of those industrial storage places where our favorite shapers of ill repute ply their trades. I was working for him setting up booths in exchange for a few days getting thrown into that weird 50 something ""I shoulda been a surf pro"" world where any sort of has-been thing you liked as a kiddo gets mentioned and homeboy would be like ""you liked that? let me introduce you to the guy..."" So anyway, I had my cut off camo shorts with the three row pyramid studded belt and wife pleaser (wifebeater sounds so... triggering) on like I was waiting for my cameo for an Agnostic Front video with the pockets positively full of Bubble Gum wax, Rainbow fins and a grip of other loot. We had just gotten done putting together the last of the portable shaping bays and the boys from Island Brewing in Santa Barbara had come by with a few cases of their imminently drinkable swill. The Surftech van had just showed up and rather than socking Randy French in the kisser for the shit he pulled when I was an under-aged kid working in his godforsaken cancer cluster of a sweatshop in Stevenson, Washington (why go overseas when you can prey on displaced forest workers in the Northwest who have fallen so deep into alcohol and what we used to call crank that they don't even mind if you don't give them adequate [read: any] safety equipment or take deductions out of their meager pay that aren't actually getting applied anywhere?), I manifested a positively positive mental attitude by stealing the three six packs of beer that were left on the Surftech table and fucking off out the back door to drink a couple by the train tracks with whatever weirdos walked by. So I'm out there sipping on luke warm microbrews with Three Dogs (RIP) and yes, all three of his well adjusted, intelligent and exceedingly polite mongrels when this other homeless bloke walks up. Not all staggery drunk or high tension wire tweaked or prison swagger swastika tattooed like the rest of our fair seaside burg's houseless inhabitants, but with that almost culty calmness and unblinking eyes. ""Heeeeey,"" he says, neither lecherously nor creepily. ""Heeeeey,"" I say back. ""Want a warm one?"" which did actually come out both lecherous and creepy, though it would have not been so had these beers actually been cold and offered as such. His laser look went from my eyes, to the half-drunk blonde I was pounding for a bit too long, then back to my eyes. ""Nooooo. That's ok. I don't drink."" And he kept staring at me. I looked over at Three Dogs who was happily guzzling the last beer in the six pack I gave him in the hope he would tell me if there was mustard on my face or whatever to explain the intense looks. Cap'n Laser eyes sat down on the bank next to me and started randomly telling us stories about surfboard riding in this way that sounded so innocent, so childlike, as to make it sound like he had just started surfing yesterday. Or was about to start and was telling us about how he imagined surfboard riding to go from watching Bruce Brown films for all 14 years of his incarceration at the Atascadero State Hospital. That homebum John who looks like an aged Johnny Depp and Denise, the TBI lady you more often than not see screaming in the middle of the road in front of Scary Vons showed up and I passed them a six pack from Surftech's stash. And the stories kept flowing, broken only by me getting up to pee in the bushes, Three Dogs standing up and pissing right in between him and Laser eyes without taking so much as a step or turning around, and the arrival of GSI's four six pack allotment of Island Brew beers. Because why? Because fuck capitalism. And double fuck surf capitalism. No session anywhere ever has been made better by one of their products or the fuckwits who buy them (excepting of course, the beautiful people from the Schengen countries who seemingly only ride popouts no matter where they are in the world) showing up. But anyway, it is now me, Laser Eyes, five homeless people and four dogs sitting around getting a proper pissfest going outside the surfboard show. Laser Eyes is still talking, but not talking at us or down to us, but like he is telling a solid chain of stories around a campfire. He is not using big words or name dropping or doing any of the things normal surfers do incessantly, but keeps us enthralled with this almost adolescent sense of joy and wonder at the same world that has resulted in the tragic cast of characters before him suffering from mental illness, criminal histories and chemical dependency (not the dogs- they were proper citizens of the world with the same sense of joy and wonder, such the life of dogs who live with the houseless). As the sun started falling, the houseless homies got up and wandered away leaving me, Laser Eyes, a few dozen empty beers and at least half a dozen puddles of human piss alone. ""I better get back in there..."" I said to him, pointing my chin towards the open back door. ""Yeah, me too."" said Laser Eyes. ""I'm supposed to be shaping tomorrow."" I looked at him the same way I imagine David Allen Coe looking at the ghost of Hank Williams the Senior at the end of ""The Ride"" and he stuck out his hand. ""You don't have to call me mister, Mr, the whole world calls me Lance."" So yes, no idea about nothing involving V Bottoms but I appreciate the hell out of Lance's holding court with us freaks, ******* and fuckups and will invite him to parties any day." 127734,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,46,SeniorGrom,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T22:39:22-0500,"miscreant said: Is this an inner monologue you're having as you work on your current project? Click to expand... Yes" 127736,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,47,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T23:05:47-0500,"nedsurf said: Maybe come up with another $5 and a new screen name (again), you are wearing this one out. But that is just my humble opinion. Click to expand... I received your opinion Don. I'm not sure why you qualify it as humble though." 127738,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,48,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-06T23:41:59-0500,"icecreamheadache said: I like Lance. I met him a few years ago. At the fairgrounds in Ventura during one of those Scott Bass shows that by name sounded vaguely like a half-rate church that might be located in one of those industrial storage places where our favorite shapers of ill repute ply their trades. I was working for him setting up booths in exchange for a few days getting thrown into that weird 50 something ""I shoulda been a surf pro"" world where any sort of has-been thing you liked as a kiddo gets mentioned and homeboy would be like ""you liked that? let me introduce you to the guy..."" So anyway, I had my cut off camo shorts with the three row pyramid studded belt and wife pleaser (wifebeater sounds so... triggering) on like I was waiting for my cameo for an Agnostic Front video with the pockets positively full of Bubble Gum wax, Rainbow fins and a grip of other loot. We had just gotten done putting together the last of the portable shaping bays and the boys from Island Brewing in Santa Barbara had come by with a few cases of their imminently drinkable swill. The Surftech van had just showed up and rather than socking Randy French in the kisser for the shit he pulled when I was an under-aged kid working in his godforsaken cancer cluster of a sweatshop in Stevenson, Washington (why go overseas when you can prey on displaced forest workers in the Northwest who have fallen so deep into alcohol and what we used to call crank that they don't even mind if you don't give them adequate [read: any] safety equipment or take deductions out of their meager pay that aren't actually getting applied anywhere?), I manifested a positively positive mental attitude by stealing the three six packs of beer that were left on the Surftech table and fucking off out the back door to drink a couple by the train tracks with whatever weirdos walked by. So I'm out there sipping on luke warm microbrews with Three Dogs (RIP) and yes, all three of his well adjusted, intelligent and exceedingly polite mongrels when this other homeless bloke walks up. Not all staggery drunk or high tension wire tweaked or prison swagger swastika tattooed like the rest of our fair seaside burg's houseless inhabitants, but with that almost culty calmness and unblinking eyes. ""Heeeeey,"" he says, neither lecherously nor creepily. ""Heeeeey,"" I say back. ""Want a warm one?"" which did actually come out both lecherous and creepy, though it would have not been so had these beers actually been cold and offered as such. His laser look went from my eyes, to the half-drunk blonde I was pounding for a bit too long, then back to my eyes. ""Nooooo. That's ok. I don't drink."" And he kept staring at me. I looked over at Three Dogs who was happily guzzling the last beer in the six pack I gave him in the hope he would tell me if there was mustard on my face or whatever to explain the intense looks. Cap'n Laser eyes sat down on the bank next to me and started randomly telling us stories about surfboard riding in this way that sounded so innocent, so childlike, as to make it sound like he had just started surfing yesterday. Or was about to start and was telling us about how he imagined surfboard riding to go from watching Bruce Brown films for all 14 years of his incarceration at the Atascadero State Hospital. That homebum John who looks like an aged Johnny Depp and Denise, the TBI lady you more often than not see screaming in the middle of the road in front of Scary Vons showed up and I passed them a six pack from Surftech's stash. And the stories kept flowing, broken only by me getting up to pee in the bushes, Three Dogs standing up and pissing right in between him and Laser eyes without taking so much as a step or turning around, and the arrival of GSI's four six pack allotment of Island Brew beers. Because why? Because fuck capitalism. And double fuck surf capitalism. No session anywhere ever has been made better by one of their products or the fuckwits who buy them (excepting of course, the beautiful people from the Schengen countries who seemingly only ride popouts no matter where they are in the world) showing up. But anyway, it is now me, Laser Eyes, five homeless people and four dogs sitting around getting a proper pissfest going outside the surfboard show. Laser Eyes is still talking, but not talking at us or down to us, but like he is telling a solid chain of stories around a campfire. He is not using big words or name dropping or doing any of the things normal surfers do incessantly, but keeps us enthralled with this almost adolescent sense of joy and wonder at the same world that has resulted in the tragic cast of characters before him suffering from mental illness, criminal histories and chemical dependency (not the dogs- they were proper citizens of the world with the same sense of joy and wonder, such the life of dogs who live with the houseless). As the sun started falling, the houseless homies got up and wandered away leaving me, Laser Eyes, a few dozen empty beers and at least half a dozen puddles of human piss alone. ""I better get back in there..."" I said to him, pointing my chin towards the open back door. ""Yeah, me too."" said Laser Eyes. ""I'm supposed to be shaping tomorrow."" I looked at him the same way I imagine David Allen Coe looking at the ghost of Hank Williams the Senior at the end of ""The Ride"" and he stuck out his hand. ""You don't have to call me mister, Mr, the whole world calls me Lance."" So yes, no idea about nothing involving V Bottoms but I appreciate the hell out of Lance's holding court with us freaks, ******* and fuckups and will invite him to parties any day. Click to expand... ""Laser eyes"" That's good." 127739,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,49,pilau,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T00:08:44-0500,Gene is a fine craftsman who seems to share an affinity and admiritation for Lane Collins. Gene is a well known true believer in the v bottomed surfing board. If he draws some inspiration from Lance and likewise Lance from Gene to arrive at a lovely vbottomed board ... place me as close to the front of the line of potential customers as possible. Why not? 127740,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,50,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T00:23:35-0500,"pilau said: Gene is a fine craftsman who seems to share an affinity and admiritation for Lane Collins. Gene is a well known true believer in the v bottomed surfing board. If he draws some inspiration from Lance and likewise Lance from Gene to arrive at a lovely vbottomed board ... place me as close to the front of the line of potential customers as possible. Why not? Click to expand... This brings to mind what these collaborative V bottoms are all about. Are they just a Cooper-esqu V wth a new laminate, or is there some significant design change?" 127741,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,51,icecreamheadache,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T00:31:41-0500,"Oh shit. Is this collaboration with Lance Collins ala Wave Tools? He's not Laser Eyes. Laser Eyes is Lance Carson. I have never laid eyes on Lance Collins. But I did think his kid was the shit... until he started rocking a jock hawk which is only acceptable on lesbians, leathernecks from Missouri and the occasional old person who is either of those things." 127742,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,52,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T00:39:30-0500,"icecreamheadache said: Oh shit. Is this collaboration with Lance Collins ala Wave Tools? He's not Laser Eyes. Laser Eyes is Lance Carson. I have never laid eyes on Lance Collins. But I did think his kid was the shit... until he started rocking a jock hawk which is only acceptable on lesbians, leathernecks from Missouri and the occasional old person who is either of those things. Click to expand... I'm dead. Killing me." 127743,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,53,pilau,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T01:15:16-0500,Dang! That’s actually the second time I made that same typo. Did once in a text to a buddy. I think you guys get the point tho... take it ez 127752,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,54,Macilious,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T08:39:35-0500,What a roller coaster ride! It was like watching Usual Suspects for the first time! All along I was thinking Carson... but NO - It's Collins... WRONG AGAIN it was Carson! And I am still left with so many questions... 127753,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,55,OCSURFER32,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T08:40:15-0500,^ 127754,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,56,Tenfooter,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T08:56:19-0500,"wow, internet muscles again. I am an ignorant surfer, I don't know Lance work in terms of boards, but I do know well Cooper's boards. They are supreme. so what is the big issue that a guy who is not well known in V bottom, starts shaping them? Do you have to have a fucking Phd and a master degree in V bottom to shape one? also by your side is a professor of v Bottom gimme a break, let those two guys do what they know, and enjoy the results, before jumping like old ladies in a town fair asking for credentials" 127755,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,57,Makawaosurfer93,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T09:16:11-0500,"miscreant said: This brings to mind what these collaborative V bottoms are all about. Are they just a Cooper-esqu V wth a new laminate, or is there some significant design change? Click to expand... I think you should have lead off with this question. At least for me, this explains in more detail what you are asking." 127756,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,58,Planktom,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T09:17:33-0500,"That would be an amazing colab. Did Richie use his Webz for paddling or relieving himself? I can't quite remember." 127757,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,59,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T09:36:26-0500,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Lance Collins on a longboard. I read a beach grit article about Richie that was pretty classic. Reminded me of an experience I observed down at my wave one morning. It might have been him. This contest was getting started as I was walking back up. This dad was going mental on the beach screaming about where his child should sit and which wave they should paddle for. It seemed so far from what surfing is to me." 127758,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,60,applekat,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T09:54:56-0500,"Freddibetts said: Looks like You shouldv PMd him Click to expand... Tell me about it, F. You need proof? FACT: Both Gene and Lance took a short hiatus from shaping in the summer for '91...spending the season TOGETHER on the small island of Culebra, just east of Puerto Rico. Lance is on record referring to this time as ""Rican Havoc With G"". FACT: Both men have had a wildly tumultuous relationship with the same woman -- she was simply known as ""Meredith"". When asked how the two shapers differ, she was believed to smile demurely and whisper ""Easy, its a length versus girth thing."" FACT: In 2001, Gene (a notorious master of anagrams) told Surfer Magazine that quote ""....if you scramble the letter's of Lance's name, you get ""Clean Acorns""...""....Which led many to believe this was a backhanded compliment regarding Carson's testicular grooming habits. FACT: In late 2001, Lance fired back--obviously poking fun at Cooper's notorious reputation for taking obscure health supplements...insisting the letters in Gene's name made the next great muscle-growth additive ""GNC: Oreo Pee"" FACT: In 1995, budget-minded consumer favorite ""Goldstar Electronics"" changed their name to LG Electronics. Gene took the company to court that summer--demanding that the name be changed to GL....and lost. FACT: In 2004, Lance spawned the idea of creating a Surfing Calendar (something Cooper violently contests to this day)...it was to be named Tits, Fins & Chicanery. 18 Month variety featuring mostly gliders and any gal under the age of 25 willing to work for a flat rate of $12.50/a day. The project failed pre-production. FACT: Despite the moniker, Lance Carson has never held a position in public office. Youre thinking of Lance Allen Carson. Republican from South Dakota. FACT: Gene Cooper is allergic to Cheerios...missing most of 4th grade--spending countless hours in the ER. In an odd twist, Carson refuses to ever eat breakfast--insisting the day STARTS with lunch. ...like i said--there's more to this story than you could possibly imagine--do the math." 127761,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,61,nedsurf,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T11:11:19-0500,"miscreant said: I received your opinion Don. I'm not sure why you qualify it as humble though. Click to expand... For those that might care, I wrote this, posted it, thought about it for about a minute (literally), deleted it and went on with my day. But not fast enough. Ol' eagle eye immediately grabbed it and formulated his response to the deleted post. Just can't get anything past this guy. Hilarious (and humbling)." 127762,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,62,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T12:00:31-0500,"nedsurf said: ... Ol' eagle eye immediately grabbed it and formulated his response ... Click to expand... ""Ol' eagle eye"" has me laughing. Thanks for the chuckle Don." 127764,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,63,icecreamheadache,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T13:08:46-0500,"Damn sir, just damn. Well played.. ""Rican havoc..."" for the win. applekat said: Tell me about it, F. You need proof? FACT: Both Gene and Lance took a short hiatus from shaping in the summer for '91...spending the season TOGETHER on the small island of Culebra, just east of Puerto Rico. Lance is on record referring to this time as ""Rican Havoc With G"". FACT: Both men have had a wildly tumultuous relationship with the same woman -- she was simply known as ""Meredith"". When asked how the two shapers differ, she was believed to smile demurely and whisper ""Easy, its a length versus girth thing."" FACT: In 2001, Gene (a notorious master of anagrams) told Surfer Magazine that quote ""....if you scramble the letter's of Lance's name, you get ""Clean Acorns""...""....Which led many to believe this was a backhanded compliment regarding Carson's testicular grooming habits. FACT: In late 2001, Lance fired back--obviously poking fun at Cooper's notorious reputation for taking obscure health supplements...insisting the letters in Gene's name made the next great muscle-growth additive ""GNC: Oreo Pee"" FACT: In 1995, budget-minded consumer favorite ""Goldstar Electronics"" changed their name to LG Electronics. Gene took the company to court that summer--demanding that the name be changed to GL....and lost. FACT: In 2004, Lance spawned the idea of creating a Surfing Calendar (something Cooper violently contests to this day)...it was to be named Tits, Fins & Chicanery. 18 Month variety featuring mostly gliders and any gal under the age of 25 willing to work for a flat rate of $12.50/a day. The project failed pre-production. FACT: Despite the moniker, Lance Carson has never held a position in public office. Youre thinking of Lance Allen Carson. Republican from South Dakota. FACT: Gene Cooper is allergic to Cheerios...missing most of 4th grade--spending countless hours in the ER. In an odd twist, Carson refuses to ever eat breakfast--insisting the day STARTS with lunch. ...like i said--there's more to this story than you could possibly imagine--do the math. Click to expand..." 127767,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,64,Planktom,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T13:23:28-0500,"I may change my user name to Rican Havoc, even though I've never been to PR and lead a fairly quiet lifestyle" 127768,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,65,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T13:25:45-0500,"OCSURFER32 said: ^ Click to expand... I'm guessing the image OCSURFER32 posted is distorted as a result of the position from which the photo was shot. However, the template shot makes the board look asymmetrical. Are these collaborative V bottoms asymmetrical? Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127769,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,66,applekat,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T13:45:57-0500,"icecreamheadache said: Damn sir, just damn. Well played.. ""Rican havoc..."" for the win. Click to expand... Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127770,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,67,applekat,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T13:46:27-0500,"Planktom said: I may change my user name to Rican Havoc, even though I've never been to PR and lead a fairly quiet lifestyle Click to expand... Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127771,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,68,SeniorGrom,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T14:08:22-0500,"miscreant said: I'm guessing the image OCSURFER32 posted is distorted as a result of the position from which the photo was shot. However, the template shot makes the board look asymmetrical. Are these collaborative V bottoms asymmetrical? View attachment 5241 Click to expand... So true. Could be a foreshadowing of another colab." 127772,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,69,applekat,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T14:10:46-0500,"SeniorGrom said: So true. Could be a foreshadowing of another colab. Click to expand... Gene & Randy French? ...im listening. Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127773,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,70,Human,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T14:42:35-0500,"Lance Carson nose + Gene Cooper tail = LCGC V-Bottom. How fucking nefarious. Can we close this thread now, please?" 127777,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,71,dingdong,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T14:51:50-0500,"lol, we need a subforum for tits, fans & chicanery..don't want that stuff mucking up the main forum" 127781,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,72,applekat,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T15:19:46-0500,"Human said: Lance Carson nose + Gene Cooper tail = LCGC V-Bottom. How fucking nefarious. Can we close this thread now, please? Click to expand... not just yet, my friend... Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127782,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,73,applekat,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T15:22:28-0500,"dingdong said: lol, we need a subforum for tits, fans & chicanery..don't want that stuff mucking up the main forum Click to expand... ...yer right--that's the LAST thing we need, DD... Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127783,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,74,dingdong,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T15:23:20-0500,now if only they could get the son of cobra guy to glass these things! 127784,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,75,applekat,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T15:24:55-0500,"dingdong said: now if only they could get the son of cobra guy to glass these things! Click to expand... im on it. Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127785,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,76,miscreant,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T15:32:28-0500,"dingdong said: now if only they could get the son of cobra guy to glass these things! Click to expand... Which things? Some kind of Bob Cooper / Lance Collins asymmetrical collaboration?" 127787,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,77,JBorbone,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T16:30:31-0500,"did i hear Son of Cobra?!?!?! Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127788,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,78,JBorbone,"Feb 7, 2018",2018-02-07T16:38:40-0500,"JBorbone said: did i hear Son of Cobra?!?!?! View attachment 5249 View attachment 5250 View attachment 5251 Click to expand... (just trolling btw.. don't mind me)" 127815,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,79,Planktom,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T07:23:19-0500,"Despite the wonky pic, that is a lovely looking outline" 127818,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,80,Driftwood,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T08:36:15-0500,"No personal opinion on the makers, but the resin work on those boards is beautiful." 127819,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,81,SeniorGrom,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T08:56:59-0500,I like the BMW 2002! 127827,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,82,NJ Longboarder,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T10:00:10-0500,"If I was in the market for a vee bottom I would absolutely jump on the order list. Two excellent craftsman with a ton of experience that also enjoy sharing time in the shaping bay. Perfect scenario for anyone looking for a board. Who cares about the ""why""." 127830,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,83,Macilious,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T10:13:02-0500,"I think that ""Rican Havoc"" is the Winner and should be screen name that is awarded. An earned honor like an MVP or maybe it should go to ICH or Miscreant. Both seems worthy for different reasons. I am disappointed they did name the new CoLab ""Meredith"" or some jumbled form of it (like Deer Mith) since it was something they both seemed to enjoy riding... One could have designed the length and the other the girth. (Footnote AppleCat's post)." 127831,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,84,applekat,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T10:39:04-0500,"Macilious said: I think that ""Rican Havoc"" is the Winner and should be screen name that is awarded. An earned honor like an MVP or maybe it should go to ICH or Miscreant. Both seems worthy for different reasons. I am disappointed they did name the new CoLab ""Meredith"" or some jumbled form of it (like Deer Mith) since it was something they both seemed to enjoy riding... One could have designed the length and the other the girth. (Footnote AppleCat's post). Click to expand... The harlot of Petticoat Junction: Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127833,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,85,miscreant,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T10:58:28-0500,"NJ Longboarder said: If I was in the market for a vee bottom I would absolutely jump on the order list. Two excellent craftsman with a ton of experience that also enjoy sharing time in the shaping bay. Perfect scenario for anyone looking for a board. Who cares about the ""why"". Click to expand... I agree with this sentiment. The spark that motivated the board to be built has no impact on its functionality. I wonder if other shapers that have shaped boards by blending each other's templates and designs have called it a collaboration? Or did they just do it and carry on? Probably a little of both occur. It seems like these type boards can be thought of as chimeras." 127835,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,86,Planktom,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T12:13:35-0500,"Macilious said: I think that ""Rican Havoc"" is the Winner and should be screen name that is awarded. An earned honor like an MVP or maybe it should go to ICH or Miscreant. Both seems worthy for different reasons. I am disappointed they did name the new CoLab ""Meredith"" or some jumbled form of it (like Deer Mith) since it was something they both seemed to enjoy riding... One could have designed the length and the other the girth. (Footnote AppleCat's post). Click to expand... Yes! BTW have you seen Roy's new model? The 19ft 'Reeking Haddock' ? It's a V bottom, but naturally far superior to anything that you would have seen.. (nod to AK for the Roy memory jog)" 127836,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,87,applekat,"Feb 8, 2018",2018-02-08T12:17:28-0500,"miscreant said: I agree with this sentiment. The spark that motivated the board to be built has no impact on its functionality. I wonder if other shapers that have shaped boards by blending each other's templates and designs have called it a collaboration? Or did they just do it and carry on? Probably a little of both occur. It seems like these type boards can be thought of as chimeras. Click to expand... I'm gonna hafta agree here. Plus, ""chimera"" is just a fantastic word. So tragically underused. ...and not just in cat circles. A bit of kudos to M. Image processing. Refresh page to view" 127847,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,88,ekim,"Feb 9, 2018",2018-02-08T21:59:42-0500,Emailed Gene a couple of months back about ordering a V-bottom. He said he's not taking orders but you can get them shaped by Mat at Bing. Fowler has been honing a similar version with heavy vee off the like Gene's for years now.Andreini and Hilbers have a different take with the vee going flat out back. Have not tried the latter ones yet. 127852,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,89,pilau,"Feb 9, 2018",2018-02-09T04:04:21-0500,"I have coopers v’s. I’ve been a true believer for a while. I had a Fowler. Nowhere near the same. Sold. All you chuckleheads with the Collins remarks... it was a brain fart. I’m typing on my phone. Beat it kook. Or continue to masturbate in public online. Whatever’s." 127853,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,90,pilau,"Feb 9, 2018",2018-02-09T04:19:36-0500,"Gene is a v bottom guy. This is not new. Davenport is a nice guy from my brief interaction with him. He seems to be a well respected glasser. Tyler etc. Lance CARSON. His reputation stands on its own merit. I don’t care about the laminate. If gene is pumped on a new v bottom. I’m in. Board can be clear no lams for all I care." 127863,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,91,miscreant,"Feb 9, 2018",2018-02-09T09:05:18-0500,"pilau said: I have coopers v's. I've been a true believer for a while. I had a Fowler. Nowhere near the same. Sold. All you chuckleheads with the Collins remarks... it was a brain fart. I'm typing on my phone. Beat it kook. Or continue to masturbate in public online. Whatever's. Click to expand... Why so triggered Colin? My talking about Lance Collins on this thread has nothing personal to do with you or a misspelling from an iPhone interaction. It speaks more to the absurdity of the platform we all hold so dear to us. Seriously? Who cares? Boards are boards regardless of who thought about them, or what was thought about them, or who shaped them, or who talked about them online, or what laminate is on them." 127864,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,92,FirstPointEric,"Feb 9, 2018",2018-02-09T09:23:10-0500,"miscreant said: Why so triggered Colin? My talking about Lance Collins on this thread has nothing personal to do with you or a misspelling from an iPhone interaction. It speaks more to absurdity of the platform we all hold so dear to us. Seriously? Who cares? Boards are boards regardless of who thought about them, or what was thought about them, or who shaped them, or who talked about them online, or what laminate is on them. Click to expand... Yep. All I was psyched about was seeing Gene and Lance making boards together." 127865,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,93,miscreant,"Feb 9, 2018",2018-02-09T09:47:22-0500,"FirstPointEric said: Yep. All I was psyched about was seeing Gene and Lance making boards together. Click to expand... A fair thing to be psyched on. None of my comments are intended to be particularly supportive or nefarious. They are just an objective genuine inquiry. Now there is talk of playing pocket pool in public." 127866,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,94,NJ Longboarder,"Feb 9, 2018",2018-02-09T09:53:13-0500,"miscreant said: They are just an objective genuine inquiry. Click to expand... I'm calling BS. If it was a genuine inquiry it would have been asked directly to those who have all of your answers (Gene and/or Lance)." 127870,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,95,miscreant,"Feb 9, 2018",2018-02-09T11:05:51-0500,"NJ Longboarder said: I'm calling BS. If it was a genuine inquiry it would have been asked directly to those who have all of your answers (Gene and/or Lance). Click to expand... Check your messages." 127896,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,96,Planktom,"Feb 10, 2018",2018-02-10T05:02:03-0500,Latest one that Gene posted on IG looks wild 127897,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,97,cheyneskeezer,"Feb 10, 2018",2018-02-10T07:13:36-0500,I can’t wait to pick mine up! Out of all the boards I’ve owned genes have been the nicest in quality and durability. He’s also always been very good to me and always kept in touch. I love checking in on his insta! 127903,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,98,northbeachboy,"Feb 10, 2018",2018-02-10T11:07:17-0500,"The fact that both Lance and Gene are sharing their expertise and knowledge and have chosen to enlist the craftsmanship and enthusiasm of Adam Davenport in collaboration, speaks volumes for the the stoke and brotherhood of surfing..." 127905,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,99,SeniorGrom,"Feb 10, 2018",2018-02-10T12:00:22-0500,Come on miscreant let’s hear about how super stoked you are. We are all curious if you could get jazzed about cool collaborations and express support. Or maybe just start a thread about whether V Bottom surfboards justify ones existence.......or maybe a poll...or a spreadsheet with trending data. 127907,4784,Gene and Lance have begun making V-bottoms,100,applekat,"Feb 10, 2018",2018-02-10T13:41:40-0500,"SeniorGrom said: Come on miscreant let's hear about how super stoked you are. We are all curious if you could get jazzed about cool collaborations and express support. Or maybe just start a thread about whether V Bottom surfboards justify ones existence.......or maybe a poll...or a spreadsheet with trending data. Click to expand... For the record, SG...I recently procured a high-end, hand-crafted 9'6 board bag from ""Into Blue & Green"". Artisan craft. Ran me near $300...but I was told Laird ran his fingers along the stitching & snickered with girlish delight. I thought I heard him murmur ""...I've seen tighter cinches in Kalama's mom's something-something..."" I understand she staunchly disapproved of c-sections... Not to mention, Machado would later text me asking me why my name is suddenly coming up over fireside jokes on the north shore. I now stare at this bag...and whisper to myself...""what a great collab."" Image processing. Refresh page to view"