{"database": "surfing", "table": "posts", "is_view": false, "human_description_en": "where thread_id = 462", "rows": [["39675", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 1, "PaulJensen", "Jun 17, 2012", "2012-06-17T14:10:59-0400", "Bigger Boards\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s hard to NOT come to the conclusion that nearly all longboard surfers these days are just dressing up in the same old, tired costume. Their boards are so generic, so retro, so focused on cosmetics, so unimaginative, so truly NOT custom. Not that they realize this of course. What the average Joe is riding is so disheartening. In many ways it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s only hurting them, but at least they don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t know it, proof that God is kind.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, what is the problem?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAn insightful friend pointed out to me that most surfers today have some sort of \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcX\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 length formula burned into their brain. It states something to the effect that they feel \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcOK\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 about riding a 9-0 at age 35. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s safe, not too prone to ridicule\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6All based on what the \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcculture\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 tells them is OK. At age 40, they compensate upwards to a 9-6, and continue upward. Just add 4\u00e2\u20ac\u009d for every birthday over 40.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThis is the most basic situation in the ever-aging surfing population. And even with that being the case, do you EVER see anything different for this huge mass of surfers? Never. What is culturally acceptable, not personally interesting, is what determines personal board choice. If you step outside this culturally accepted \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcnorm\u00e2\u20ac\u2122, watch out. What? A guy with something different?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTake your average aging surfer, liking longer boards but not really having the skills to ride like David N. on the nose. I fall into that category. I love the glide and trim of longer boards, but I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve never hung ten, rarely five. How about you? Anyone else want to raise their hand?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, why is it?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere are few forward thinkers in the surfing world, maybe even less so in the ranks of your common shaper. Unimaginative shapers, all replicating someone else\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s tired ideas from 10-30 years ago. If left to the shapers out there, your average 45 year old will be riding the same board in 2045 as he is today. If the surf culture en masse started experimenting, the average guy\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s surfing would improve. So too, would shapers be forced to begin a sort of design quest, and you might have 500 shapers making improvements and contributions.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRead any sailing magazine and realize how skilled and educated even your basic boat designer is, and the difference between him and a surfboard shaper is almost cosmic in the distance between the two. Look at all the truly innovative boat hulls coming out, and witness an industry that is truly led by change, and willing to move forward and try new things. There\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s little that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s even close in the surfing industry. There is the shapes themselves are about as refined as they\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re ever going to get.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBack to the \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcchallenge\u00e2\u20ac\u2122.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFor me, over the years, after experiencing that feeling of \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcthe glide\u00e2\u20ac\u2122, I fell in love with it. The sensation of being so in trim, not outrunning, not falling behind the wave. Just locked in to the waves speed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhere I surf, we have a lot of beach breaks. When the seasons change from summer to fall we get a lot of swell. Combine that with some stiff offshore winds, and you have excellent conditions. One of the drawbacks to those conditions is the expanded playing field. Paddling power is paramount to getting good waves, with shifting peaks up and down, inshore and out. Shortboarders sit inside, duckdive and get quick rides. That\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s fine if you like to duckdive and get quick rides. With a more powerful paddling board, I have the vehicle in which to sit 50 \u00e2\u20ac\u201c75 yards outside and get in the waves way early. I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m able to catch a cresting unbroken wave, drop in, set a line and speed, high and tight through where the shortboarders are and fly way further down the line, due to the speed achieved from a longer set up area. Ride fast and kick out and use the paddling advantage again to get back outside before the next waves catch you inside. The key is paddling speed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHow can you ride one and NOT see the benefits of it all?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe \u00e2\u20ac\u0153average\u00e2\u20ac\u009d longboard has just too much width in the nose and middle. On waves with some juice, that width just gets in the way\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6If you\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re not gonna really ride the nose, why have that width. It just doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t fit the waves as well as something more streamlined.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe board I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m riding I shaped a few years ago. It sat mostly unridden for a long time. But I broke it out early this summer for some very clean, empty point waves in this region. That session has hooked me on the undeniable quality of the ride these boards offer. The more I ride it, the more it makes sense.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not talking about 17\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 boards or anything in that range\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6Human scale here.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhat\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s got me so stoked is a 12\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 Surf/ Paddleboard. I envisioned a board that had the qualities of both genres, without compromising the better aspects of each. A tough balance, but do-able. Out of a custom cut Clark 12'3\", I templated a narrow, fairly parallel outline. Maximum width 20\u00e2\u20ac\u009d. The maximum thickness is 3.75\u00e2\u20ac\u009d. I shaped a typical paddle board entry, rolled vee for the first two feet or so, running to a gentle belly roll for a few more feet (we are talking lots of board) and ending in a harder edged pulled in round tail, with a flat vee panel running up about three feet from the tail. Single fin box, thank you. The key to combining the best of both aspects of paddle / surf, is having a generously domed deck to carry the thickness, and a bottom with moderate belly that rolls out to a rail that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ll still wrap water and hold in. A full length chine can add some more bite if you need that. The rolled bottom and the large flat vee panel keep it loose rail to rail. The boards length precludes most sudden direction changes, but the early entry, and the speed available through that, allow plenty of set up time for what\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s ahead. With practice some mind bending right go left ( and visa/versa) takeoffs are achievable and repeatable.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt is a great riding board, it can get around falling sections and of course has a lot of drive (what would you expect from 12\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 of rail). Besides, you can catch a ripple with it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFinally, because of their stubbornness to expand their minds, other surfers might look at my board and laugh, think I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m a wannabe big wave hero, and misunderstand the principles behind the design choice. Yet at the end of the day my wave count is almost always higher. And I guarantee that I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m the one smiling when I leave the water.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou can argue it is all fun, and it all works, but it is a lot more fun when you catch more waves and at this age that is all I really want to do.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSome might figure that I \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcwent big\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 to compensate for my age, when in fact that has never figured into my formula. My fitness level is well above average for my years. I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve got witnesses.My inherent surfing skills are about as refined as they are ever going to be (realistically, I've passed the peak of my inherent refined surfing skills, and at this point of my life it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s mostly refinement).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs has been said before \"If you can't out surf \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcem, out think \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcem.\" \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCAUTION: Anyone with such a powerful wave catcher MUST NOT over use such an effective tool in even moderately crowded conditions. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s just not cool to be a wave hog. Instead, smile, encourage and share."], ["39676", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 2, "SMUKES", "Jun 17, 2012", "2012-06-17T15:21:00-0400", "Yeah, well ... it is after all a longboard forum... I guess I have no idea what the ultimate point here is. I ride short to long as waves and moods dictate, I can assure you it's not based on any fashion or glide addiction for that matter. Uhh, well, carry on then."], ["39678", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 3, "Guest", "Jun 17, 2012", "2012-06-17T15:50:45-0400", "6'6\" to 12'.\n\n\n\nOne fin, twin keels, quads, twinzers, 5 fin Bonzers.\n\n\n\nWide point back of center, forward of center, IN the center.\n\n\n\nThe conditions dictate what I ride. \n\n\n\n(As long as it's not some 3rd world pop out molded garbage)"], ["39680", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 4, "Miles", "Jun 17, 2012", "2012-06-17T16:00:15-0400", "7'1\" V1 to 12' GP. I am stuck in a single fin rut though"], ["39685", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 5, "RATZAX", "Jun 17, 2012", "2012-06-17T16:25:06-0400", "Do you applaud when you look in the mirror?"], ["39686", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 6, "PaulJensen", "Jun 17, 2012", "2012-06-17T16:37:32-0400", "f#%k yeah...!!!...\n\n\n\nIt's true, I do...\n\n\n\nI made it through another day..."], ["39688", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 7, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-17T20:42:07-0400", "PaulJensen\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Bigger Boards\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not talking about 17\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 boards or anything in that range\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6Human scale here.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nPaul it seems that you are as hidebound as those you are criticising.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn any case, whatever do you mean by 'human scale' and why do you think that it stops at 12 feet?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39689", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 8, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-17T20:58:45-0400", "13'9\" .. over the Jensen limit?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn my opinion you see 12 feet as the limit because your longer boards are too narrow and thick, and have the wrong plan shapes for their length."], ["39694", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 9, "SMUKES", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T02:10:57-0400", "I just can't say enough about this ignore button... Try it, you'll like it!"], ["39696", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 10, "515", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T02:18:47-0400", "5'8\" to 10'. sixty years old\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI agree with Veterano. Conditions dictate what I ride."], ["39702", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 11, "Guest", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T05:09:15-0400", "Agree with Veterano and others. Conditions dictate craft ridden.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nLots of surfing up in Olympia eh...?"], ["39703", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 12, "SMUKES", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T05:24:03-0400", "Thank God this guy and his \"insightful friend\" are up there in Oly looking out for \"nearly all the longboard surfers these days.\" Who wants to head out get a re-purposed paddleboard? Anybody? It's avant-garde? Thank you Paul, thank you Roy. Keeping it real for the rest of us. Fucking classic. Matching foil hats I'd bet."], ["39704", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 13, "RATZAX", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T05:52:04-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Thank God this guy and his \"insightful friend\" are up there in Oly looking out for \"nearly all the longboard surfers these days.\" Who wants to head out get a re-purposed paddleboard? Anybody? It's avant-garde? Thank you Paul, thank you Roy. Keeping it real for the rest of us. f#%king classic. Matching foil hats I'd bet.\n \n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["39708", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 14, "dewey", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T06:34:20-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Thank God this guy and his \"insightful friend\" are up there in Oly looking out for \"nearly all the longboard surfers these days.\" Who wants to head out get a re-purposed paddleboard? Anybody? It's avant-garde? Thank you Paul, thank you Roy. Keeping it real for the rest of us. f#%king classic. Matching foil hats I'd bet.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nNow that's funny..Matching foil hats\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHahaha...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\ndewey"], ["39710", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 15, "Silk123", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T06:46:14-0400", "It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s hard to NOT come to the conclusion that nearly all longboard surfers these days are just dressing up in the same old, tired costume. Their boards are so generic, so retro, so focused on cosmetics, so unimaginative, so truly NOT custom. Not that they realize this of course. What the average Joe is riding is so disheartening. In many ways it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s only hurting them, but at least they don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t know it, proof that God is kind.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tThis is the same, tired, generic argument against longboarders. And its actually really easy to use this forum and its archives to prove this argument is just a load of crap."], ["39712", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 16, "SMUKES", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T07:19:16-0400", "It dawns on me that Roy eschews the use of foil as it leads to alzheimer's and other baked potato born illnesses."], ["39713", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 17, "SMUKES", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T07:23:20-0400", "Perhaps matching Viking style helmets... \"Spear and magic helmet!\" ... \"Spear and maaaaaaagic hellllllllmet!\""], ["39715", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 18, "Latte", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T08:16:57-0400", "Actually I like hearing about different takes on it.\n\n\n\nHowever it could have been done differently."], ["39718", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 19, "Surfertom", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T09:34:18-0400", "My observation here is Paul Jensen just put his thoughts about his board and about riding it. Not touting \"his way is the only way\" type hype, as Roy often does.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTHEN. Roy comes along and bangs on Paul for not adhering to his prescribed way of thinking, proving he just can't leave such a thread alone.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd t-h-e-n, some of you other guys start banging on Paul for saying what he seems to truly enjoy and throwing trash talk his way. Paul didn't do a \"Roy\". He didn't tell anyone they were wrong-headed in their designs, Paul just said what he liked!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy, get out of this and try, just try, to not hijack the thread. We all know you are a great craftsman and might likely keep remembering that about you if you just would put a little humility where your mouth goes in cases like this. Paul did not say you have bad shapes. Paul didn't bring you up at all.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou other guys, Good Lord RELAX, a little more understanding and happy vibes toward Paul, who though not totally my sort of shapes, does display a very good level of craftmanship. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nST"], ["39719", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 20, "Guest", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T09:42:18-0400", ""], ["39720", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 21, "jbb", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T09:43:30-0400", "Surfertom\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n My observation here is Paul Jensen just put his thoughts about his board and about riding it. Not touting \"his way is the only way\" type hype, as Roy often does.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTHEN. Roy comes along and bangs on Paul for not adhering to his prescribed way of thinking, proving he just can't leave such a thread alone.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd t-h-e-n, some of you other guys start banging on Paul for saying what he seems to truly enjoy and throwing trash talk his way. Paul didn't do a \"Roy\". He didn't tell anyone they were wrong-headed in their designs, Paul just said what he liked!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy, get out of this and try, just try, to not hijack the thread. We all know you are a great craftsman and might likely keep remembering that about you if you just would put a little humility where your mouth goes in cases like this. Paul did not say you have bad shapes. Paul didn't bring you up at all.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou other guys, Good Lord RELAX, a little more understanding and happy vibes toward Paul, who though not totally my sort of shapes, does display a very good level of craftmanship.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nST\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\"LIKE\""], ["39721", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 22, "Guest", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T10:17:49-0400", "Matched set:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAttached files \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view"], ["39727", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 23, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T12:21:34-0400", "Surfertom\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n My observation here is Paul Jensen just put his thoughts about his board and about riding it. Not touting \"his way is the only way\" type hype, as Roy often does.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTHEN. Roy comes along and bangs on Paul for not adhering to his prescribed way of thinking, proving he just can't leave such a thread alone.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd t-h-e-n, some of you other guys start banging on Paul for saying what he seems to truly enjoy and throwing trash talk his way. Paul didn't do a \"Roy\". He didn't tell anyone they were wrong-headed in their designs, Paul just said what he liked!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy, get out of this and try, just try, to not hijack the thread. We all know you are a great craftsman and might likely keep remembering that about you if you just would put a little humility where your mouth goes in cases like this. Paul did not say you have bad shapes. Paul didn't bring you up at all.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou other guys, Good Lord RELAX, a little more understanding and happy vibes toward Paul, who though not totally my sort of shapes, does display a very good level of craftmanship.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nST\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nIt's not an emotional issue it's a design issue, stop being so EMO and it will increase your clarity of mind.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPaul and I have been conversing about surfboards for a long time, he'll handle it well I'm sure.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nApart from the 12 foot 'cutoff' notion I agree with Paul, most 'long boarders' are hidebound mal riders, and we all know that mals are shortboards. They have little understanding of the principles and practice of long boarding.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nNow let's see some 17 footers, since the length was mentioned as not being of 'human scale' ... does anyone know of more than one?"], ["39729", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 24, "Kaholo", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T12:54:26-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n I just can't say enough about this ignore button... Try it, you'll like it!\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tWhen you're right you're right\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAttached files"], ["39730", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 25, "Guest", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T13:09:11-0400", "Veterano\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Matched set:\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nfvck!!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nwhy didn't I have that rig for INVASION! ?"], ["39731", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 26, "SMUKES", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T13:26:21-0400", "You see that \"you have chosen...\" So Fucking satisfying."], ["39736", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 27, "unfrozencaveman", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T16:13:06-0400", "Paul = Roy\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs Rodney king = VPC\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nthat's fairly obvious right?"], ["39737", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 28, "PaulJensen", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T16:13:30-0400", "Here in the PNW, copper foil hats are Da Kine...Copper keeps the ultra low frequency vibrations from getting through and messing with your mind...I've helped build meditation rooms that were solid copper and am one of the few who truly understand...Most of the time I have a copper foil hat on...Aluminum foil is for the crazies...I'm not crazy...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMy biggest board...13'5\"...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nGetting back to the original post...Hate on it (or me)if it makes you feel better, I don't care one way or another...I thought this forum was unlike the erBB...That's what my friend Tom Burns told me...But there seems to be some crossover, another place for the anonymous to hide behind a screen name..."], ["39738", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 29, "unfrozencaveman", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T16:20:45-0400", "[No message]"], ["39739", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 30, "unfrozencaveman", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T16:21:18-0400", "unfrozencaveman\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Paul = Roy\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs Rodney king = VPC\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nthat's fairly obvious right?\n \n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["39740", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 31, "unfrozencaveman", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T16:23:09-0400", "I don't really care. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI think I'm going to NZ after all\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSometime\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd Hawaii this fall."], ["39741", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 32, "kiwi", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T17:24:04-0400", "Meditation can be a trip. Me and ex did it together a few times. The first time we tried it i saw a list of words file past my vision and then one word got real big,\"COSMETICS\". I laughed when it happened. She asked what i was laughing about, i told her and she said she had been thinking about the list of stuff she would need to make her own line of chemical free cosmetics.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSpooky."], ["39742", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 33, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T17:27:50-0400", "PaulJensen\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n My biggest board...13'5\"...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nGetting back to the original post...Hate on it (or me)if it makes you feel better, I don't care one way or another...I thought this forum was unlike the erBB...That's what my friend Tom Burns told me...But there seems to be some crossover, another place for the anonymous to hide behind a screen name...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI agree with you Paul, and when you wrote it there were certainly less big boards around.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39743", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 34, "SMUKES", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T18:03:15-0400", "Paul, dude... Ride whatever blows your skirt up. It's just the coming across as enlightened and subsequent blathering on about the majority and whatnot then the martyrdom chaser..."], ["39744", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 35, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 18, 2012", "2012-06-18T18:29:14-0400", "Members of the herd always insist that they are individuals, they are never going to like it being pointed out that they are individuals who exhibit herd behaviour."], ["39747", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 36, "Guest", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T00:15:38-0400", "Roy Stewart\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Members of the herd always insist that they are individuals, they are never going to like it being pointed out that they are individuals who exhibit herd behaviour.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nclassic!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nyou just admitted to being a member of the herd!!!!"], ["39748", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 37, "PaulJensen", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T00:20:09-0400", "Image processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSize matters..."], ["39749", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 38, "Finward", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T01:34:05-0400", "gnar gnar\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy Stewart\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Members of the herd always insist that they are individuals, they are never going to like it being pointed out that they are individuals who exhibit herd behaviour.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nclassic!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nyou just admitted to being a member of the herd!!!!\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tNo no no Gnar don't you realize that once you accept Roy's doctrine of surf then his own words no longer apply. So say'ith the Roy"], ["39750", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 39, "RATZAX", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T01:41:19-0400", ":shock:... with an autograph no less!!!!!!!!!!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWe have a new level of grandeur in our midst"], ["39751", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 40, "PaulJensen", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T01:59:10-0400", "Grandeur...???...I'm going all in...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI'm sure others are curious of your contributions to the craft..."], ["39752", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 41, "Guest", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T02:15:54-0400", "PaulJensen\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Grandeur...???...I'm going all in...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI'm sure others are curious of your contributions to the craft...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nis mike cummin's skitsofrantic \"art\" playing optic tango with my eyes or is it Paul's contribution to \"the craft\"...holy sh!t that template looks strange on the nose of that particle board sculpture!!"], ["39753", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 42, "nedsurf", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T02:26:16-0400", "Guess I'm missing something cause I'm not sure why you all are busting Paul's chops."], ["39754", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 43, "515", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T02:33:38-0400", "unfrozencaveman\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Paul = Roy\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs Rodney king = VPC\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nthat's fairly obvious right?\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tYes."], ["39755", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 44, "PaulJensen", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T03:04:24-0400", "It's amusing when people you don't even know, hate you...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRight Roy...???...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHave a nice day...!!!..."], ["39756", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 45, "little AL", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T03:10:36-0400", "nedsurf\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Guess I'm missing something cause I'm not sure why you all are busting Paul's chops.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n Thank you Don. I was thinking the same thing then it dawned on me. This is the new Longboard.net. We lost the old one a few years back."], ["39757", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 46, "Gretsch", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T03:16:52-0400", "PaulJensen\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Grandeur...???...I'm going all in...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI'm sure others are curious of your contributions to the craft...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nCummins rules.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSarah Utter's work is AMAZING! One of the many perks of living in Oly. We have a luvvly S.Utter painting on our livingroom wall. Bought on the super-cheap. She also shreds the bass (check Western Hymn sunday night @ The Brotherhood!!!)."], ["39758", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 47, "RATZAX", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T03:43:48-0400", "I will have to check around to find links to her artwork. I agree her work on that board is fantastic!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI also admit they are beautiful surfboards.Very nice work Paul."], ["39759", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 48, "Gretsch", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T03:50:33-0400", "RATZAX\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n I will have to check around to find links to her artwork. I agree her work on that board is fantastic!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI also admit they are beautiful surfboards.Very nice work Paul.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nhttp://www.buyolympia.com/q/Artist=Sarah+Utter\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttp://www.sarahutter.com"], ["39760", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 49, "SMUKES", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T04:01:55-0400", "little AL\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnedsurf\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Guess I'm missing something cause I'm not sure why you all are busting Paul's chops.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n Thank you Don. I was thinking the same thing then it dawned on me. This is the new Longboard.net. We lost the old one a few years back.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nOld coffee always tastes bitter when re-heated"], ["39762", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 50, "Silk123", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T05:02:59-0400", "It's amusing when people you don't even know, hate you...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRight Roy...???...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHave a nice day...!!!...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tNobody hates you. You post(s) came across as arrogant and pompous and you got called out on it. Pretty simple.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd I'm sure you knew that you would get these responses when you made your first post. If you didnt, then you should have. And now your playing the victim. Way to go."], ["39763", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 51, "Guest", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T05:19:06-0400", "Silk123\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n It's amusing when people you don't even know, hate you...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRight Roy...???...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHave a nice day...!!!...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tNobody hates you.\u00c2 You post(s) came across as arrogant and pompous and you got called out on it.\u00c2 Pretty simple.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd I'm sure you knew that you would get these responses when you made your first post.\u00c2 If you didnt, then you should have.\u00c2 And now your playing the victim.\u00c2 Way to go.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nyup."], ["39764", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 52, "dewey", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T05:31:57-0400", "gnar gnar\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSilk123\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n It's amusing when people you don't even know, hate you...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRight Roy...???...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHave a nice day...!!!...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tNobody hates you. You post(s) came across as arrogant and pompous and you got called out on it. Pretty simple.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd I'm sure you knew that you would get these responses when you made your first post. If you didnt, then you should have. And now your playing the victim. Way to go.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nyup.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nYUP...YUP...YUP\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\ndewey"], ["39767", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 53, "nedsurf", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T07:39:16-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nlittle AL\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnedsurf\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Guess I'm missing something cause I'm not sure why you all are busting Paul's chops.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n Thank you Don. I was thinking the same thing then it dawned on me. This is the new Longboard.net. We lost the old one a few years back.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nOld coffee always tastes bitter when re-heated\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nOr it can be bitter when brewed, doesn't necessarily have to be reheated. It all depends on how you do it."], ["39768", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 54, "Silk123", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T07:50:08-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote:\n\n\n\n[quote]\nlittle AL\n wrote:\n\n\n\n[quote][b]\nnedsurf\n wrote: [/b][quote]Guess I'm missing something cause I'm not sure why you all are busting Paul's chops.[/quote] Thank you Don. I was thinking the same thing then it dawned on me. This is the new Longboard.net. We lost the old one a few years back. \n\n\n\n[/quote]\n\n\n\nOld coffee always tastes bitter when re-heated[/quote]\n\n\n\nOr it can be bitter when brewed, doesn't necessarily have to be reheated. It all depends on how you do it.[/quote]\n\n\n\n\nSome people like it bitter.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHow long can we keep this analogy up?\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["39769", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 55, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:02:05-0400", "Silk123\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n It's amusing when people you don't even know, hate you...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRight Roy...???...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHave a nice day...!!!...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tNobody hates you.\u00c2 You post(s) came across as arrogant and pompous and you got called out on it.\u00c2 Pretty simple.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd I'm sure you knew that you would get these responses when you made your first post.\u00c2 If you didnt, then you should have.\u00c2 And now your playing the victim.\u00c2 Way to go.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n1) Just because Paul doesn't adopt the usual 'humblebum' manner of the clone herd does not make him arrogant or pompous.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n2) He's right about the monoculture in long boarding and the mentality surrounding it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n3)Paul is not 'playing the victim'... he says that he finds the response to be amusing.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n4)Paul does not equal Roy.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39770", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 56, "SMUKES", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:02:47-0400", "Coffee is a brew better bitter when brewed not reheated."], ["39771", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 57, "nedsurf", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:03:49-0400", "Silk123\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSMUKES\n wrote:\n\n\n\n[quote]\nlittle AL\n wrote:\n\n\n\n[quote][b]\nnedsurf\n wrote: [/b][quote]Guess I'm missing something cause I'm not sure why you all are busting Paul's chops.[/quote] Thank you Don. I was thinking the same thing then it dawned on me. This is the new Longboard.net. We lost the old one a few years back. \n\n\n\n[/quote]\n\n\n\nOld coffee always tastes bitter when re-heated[/quote]\n\n\n\nOr it can be bitter when brewed, doesn't necessarily have to be reheated. It all depends on how you do it.[/quote]\n\n\n\n\nSome people like it bitter.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHow long can we keep this analogy up?\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tI'm having reheated coffee right now, along with a caramel Tootsie Roll Pop, very good combination.\n \n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["39772", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 58, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:04:35-0400", "Gretsch\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPaulJensen\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Grandeur...???...I'm going all in...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI'm sure others are curious of your contributions to the craft...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nCummins rules.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSarah Utter's work is AMAZING! One of the many perks of living in Oly. We\u00c2 have a luvvly\u00c2 S.Utter painting on our livingroom wall. Bought on the super-cheap. She also shreds the bass (check Western Hymn sunday night @ The Brotherhood!!!).\u00c2\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n:dude:"], ["39773", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 59, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:08:17-0400", "gnar gnar\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy Stewart\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Members of the herd always insist that they are individuals, they are never going to like it being pointed out that they are individuals who exhibit herd behaviour.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nclassic!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nyou just admitted to being a member of the herd!!!!\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nLay off the alcohol, your logic is slipping even further.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIf all members of set A do X it doesn't mean that doing X makes one a member of set A.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39774", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 60, "SMUKES", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:11:57-0400", "Better is the bitter brew when brewed and not re-heated. The swords of Roy and other toys with judgement oft impeded, make fodder for the message board as did Paul afore he retreated."], ["39775", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 61, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:14:49-0400", "Cartel Lackey ^"], ["39777", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 62, "Guest", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:31:46-0400", "Roy,\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nyou're quite the assuming type! you have no idea what, or how much of what I consume.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\non that note, once I drank old coffee that had a layer of mold on the top. I poorer it from a pot into a mug. heated the mug in the microwave. after i finished the cup i went to make more , discovered the mold then vowed never to drink old coffee ever again."], ["39778", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 63, "Latte", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:40:23-0400", "gnar gnar\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n on that note, once I drank old coffee that had a layer of mold on the top. I poorer it from a pot into a mug. heated the mug in the microwave. after i finished the cup i went to make more , discovered the mold then vowed never to drink old coffee ever again.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThats good...Life is to short to drink 'bad' coffee."], ["39779", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 64, "Latte", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:43:14-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Old coffee always tastes bitter when re-heated\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tI had to read this out loud to get it...but then again I'm tired and got out twice today already.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPaul I welcome your thoughts (No Tim, not in a drum circle kind of way \n,I'm no hippy)\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI'd like to see your pics, hear your dims and rocker ect...20\" in anything over 11' sounds narrow so I'm curious."], ["39780", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 65, "SMUKES", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:44:01-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Better is the bitter brew when brewed and not re-heated. The swords of Roy and other toys with judgement oft impeded, make fodder for the message board as did Paul afore he retreated.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nYour welcome."], ["39781", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 66, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:46:58-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSMUKES\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Better is the bitter brew when brewed and not re-heated. The swords of Roy and other toys with judgement oft impeded, make fodder for the message board as did Paul afore he retreated.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nYour welcome.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nIt's 'you're' you illiterate person.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n:?"], ["39782", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 67, "nedsurf", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:47:24-0400", "SMUKES\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Better is the bitter brew when brewed and not re-heated. The swords of Roy and other toys with judgement oft impeded, make fodder for the message board as did Paul afore he retreated.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI'm in awe, guess you're not just another pretty face."], ["39783", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 68, "OCSURFER32", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T08:54:34-0400", "Ruff crowd \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou would think he started a post about a dancing dog or something on a LONGBOARD message board :shock:"], ["39786", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 69, "little AL", "Jun 19, 2012", "2012-06-19T10:06:09-0400", "I\"m joining 70sSanO."], ["39804", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 70, "Finward", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T02:31:09-0400", "Jammer! Is a apology in Afrikaans"], ["39808", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 71, "B.O.S.S", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T05:43:43-0400", "little AL\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nnedsurf\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Guess I'm missing something cause I'm not sure why you all are busting Paul's chops.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n Thank you Don. I was thinking the same thing then it dawned on me. This is the new Longboard.net. We lost the old one a few years back.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tWell said AL."], ["39810", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 72, "SuperKool", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T06:55:20-0400", "PaulJensen\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Bigger Boards\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s hard to NOT come to the conclusion that nearly all longboard surfers these days are just dressing up in the same old, tired costume. Their boards are so generic, so retro, so focused on cosmetics, so unimaginative, so truly NOT custom. Not that they realize this of course. What the average Joe is riding is so disheartening. In many ways it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s only hurting them, but at least they don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t know it, proof that God is kind.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, what is the problem?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAn insightful friend pointed out to me that most surfers today have some sort of \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcX\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 length formula burned into their brain. It states something to the effect that they feel \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcOK\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 about riding a 9-0 at age 35. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s safe, not too prone to ridicule\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6All based on what the \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcculture\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 tells them is OK. At age 40, they compensate upwards to a 9-6, and continue upward. Just add 4\u00e2\u20ac\u009d for every birthday over 40.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThis is the most basic situation in the ever-aging surfing population. And even with that being the case, do you EVER see anything different for this huge mass of surfers? Never. What is culturally acceptable, not personally interesting, is what determines personal board choice. If you step outside this culturally accepted \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcnorm\u00e2\u20ac\u2122, watch out. What? A guy with something different?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTake your average aging surfer, liking longer boards but not really having the skills to ride like David N. on the nose. I fall into that category. I love the glide and trim of longer boards, but I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve never hung ten, rarely five. How about you? Anyone else want to raise their hand?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, why is it?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere are few forward thinkers in the surfing world, maybe even less so in the ranks of your common shaper. Unimaginative shapers, all replicating someone else\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s tired ideas from 10-30 years ago. If left to the shapers out there, your average 45 year old will be riding the same board in 2045 as he is today. If the surf culture en masse started experimenting, the average guy\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s surfing would improve. So too, would shapers be forced to begin a sort of design quest, and you might have 500 shapers making improvements and contributions.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRead any sailing magazine and realize how skilled and educated even your basic boat designer is, and the difference between him and a surfboard shaper is almost cosmic in the distance between the two. Look at all the truly innovative boat hulls coming out, and witness an industry that is truly led by change, and willing to move forward and try new things. There\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s little that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s even close in the surfing industry. There is the shapes themselves are about as refined as they\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re ever going to get.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBack to the \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcchallenge\u00e2\u20ac\u2122.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFor me, over the years, after experiencing that feeling of \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcthe glide\u00e2\u20ac\u2122, I fell in love with it. The sensation of being so in trim, not outrunning, not falling behind the wave. Just locked in to the waves speed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhere I surf, we have a lot of beach breaks. When the seasons change from summer to fall we get a lot of swell. Combine that with some stiff offshore winds, and you have excellent conditions. One of the drawbacks to those conditions is the expanded playing field. Paddling power is paramount to getting good waves, with shifting peaks up and down, inshore and out. Shortboarders sit inside, duckdive and get quick rides. That\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s fine if you like to duckdive and get quick rides. With a more powerful paddling board, I have the vehicle in which to sit 50 \u00e2\u20ac\"75 yards outside and get in the waves way early. I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m able to catch a cresting unbroken wave, drop in, set a line and speed, high and tight through where the shortboarders are and fly way further down the line, due to the speed achieved from a longer set up area. Ride fast and kick out and use the paddling advantage again to get back outside before the next waves catch you inside. The key is paddling speed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHow can you ride one and NOT see the benefits of it all?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe \u00e2\u20ac\u0153average\u00e2\u20ac\u009d longboard has just too much width in the nose and middle. On waves with some juice, that width just gets in the way\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6If you\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re not gonna really ride the nose, why have that width. It just doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t fit the waves as well as something more streamlined.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe board I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m riding I shaped a few years ago. It sat mostly unridden for a long time. But I broke it out early this summer for some very clean, empty point waves in this region. That session has hooked me on the undeniable quality of the ride these boards offer. The more I ride it, the more it makes sense.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not talking about 17\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 boards or anything in that range\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6Human scale here.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhat\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s got me so stoked is a 12\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 Surf/ Paddleboard. I envisioned a board that had the qualities of both genres, without compromising the better aspects of each. A tough balance, but do-able. Out of a custom cut Clark 12'3\", I templated a narrow, fairly parallel outline. Maximum width 20\u00e2\u20ac\u009d. The maximum thickness is 3.75\u00e2\u20ac\u009d. I shaped a typical paddle board entry, rolled vee for the first two feet or so, running to a gentle belly roll for a few more feet (we are talking lots of board) and ending in a harder edged pulled in round tail, with a flat vee panel running up about three feet from the tail. Single fin box, thank you. The key to combining the best of both aspects of paddle / surf, is having a generously domed deck to carry the thickness, and a bottom with moderate belly that rolls out to a rail that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ll still wrap water and hold in. A full length chine can add some more bite if you need that. The rolled bottom and the large flat vee panel keep it loose rail to rail. The boards length precludes most sudden direction changes, but the early entry, and the speed available through that, allow plenty of set up time for what\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s ahead. With practice some mind bending right go left ( and visa/versa) takeoffs are achievable and repeatable.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt is a great riding board, it can get around falling sections and of course has a lot of drive (what would you expect from 12\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 of rail). Besides, you can catch a ripple with it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFinally, because of their stubbornness to expand their minds, other surfers might look at my board and laugh, think I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m a wannabe big wave hero, and misunderstand the principles behind the design choice. Yet at the end of the day my wave count is almost always higher. And I guarantee that I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m the one smiling when I leave the water.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou can argue it is all fun, and it all works, but it is a lot more fun when you catch more waves and at this age that is all I really want to do.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSome might figure that I \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcwent big\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 to compensate for my age, when in fact that has never figured into my formula. My fitness level is well above average for my years. I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve got witnesses.My inherent surfing skills are about as refined as they are ever going to be (realistically, I've passed the peak of my inherent refined surfing skills, and at this point of my life it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s mostly refinement).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs has been said before \"If you can't out surf \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcem, out think \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcem.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCAUTION: Anyone with such a powerful wave catcher MUST NOT over use such an effective tool in even moderately crowded conditions. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s just not cool to be a wave hog. Instead, smile, encourage and share.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tWelcome to the forum Paul, this is pretty much what it's like these days.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n...but I can see where they're coming from.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI don't ride 9'-9'6\" noseriders to be unique or cutting edge, for me it is merely carrying on a beautiful tradition. Up here in the PNW small clean walled up beachbreak peaks are rarer than I'd prefer but in santa cruz or socal most of the time the waves are better suited for the traditional noseriding boards and style than any other imo (better than hopping mush on a thruster, right?). Down there the average joe does get fives and tens if he puts some time into it, I mean hell they get small clean waves 200-300 days a year. I figure the nature of the waves in the surfing hotspots in cali had a lot to do with the shapes of the traditional boards that were developed there as well as their fixation on noseriding (of which I am a big fan, and yes I can hang five or ten given the right conditions).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n9'-9\"6\" longboards are imo, for the average sized surfer, the best combo of noseridability while still retaining some ability to turn, which you have do do once and a while even at the bu. Since I got an 8'2\" fineline mz that I could get legit 10s on I've been leaning more toward shorter boards than I used to ride (from 9'6\"-9'8\" to 8'-9'4\"). I'm personally not convinced that going over 9'8\" or so makes a board any easier to noseride for me but for bigger guys it makes sense.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBut, alas, you're talking glide, not noseriding. When I think of glide I think of the skipper and for all sorts of perfect to not so perfect waves I think it's a cool way to look at surfing, more middle of the board trimming (stylishly of course)...but idk if that's really any less old, tired, and unimaginative than noseriding really (older and tireder actually). I'm personally not a big fan of the guys that ride huge boards with little to no maneuverability that sit on the outside and grab every set wave before anyone else has the chance but it sounds like you practice some restraint and I'd imagine you surf plenty of days where crowds aren't a problem. Get several guys with the bigger board attitude at a crowded peak though and they're just as bad as SUP's. I can dig your paddleboard trip but all in all it's not too far from roy's olo philosophy.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI appreciate you sharing your perspective but shortboarders get some pretty long waves sometimes too and imo they do a lot more with them a lot closer to the curl than most long or longerboarders, myself included. Much of what you said stands pretty true in the PNW but things are much different in cali...your paddleboard philosophy may not be so warmly welcomed on a crowded day at rincon...but I can see where you're coming from if you mostly surf up here and mad props for charging the big stuff...I'm over it lol, probably moving to the cruz soon to join the ranks of the lemmings lol.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou did kinda come across as the quintessential jaded PNW surfer, which is so core right now, just don't judge the whole surf world because of what you see in PNW lineups and surf mags."], ["39811", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 73, "RATZAX", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T07:59:48-0400", "SuperKool\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPaulJensen\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Bigger Boards\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s hard to NOT come to the conclusion that nearly all longboard surfers these days are just dressing up in the same old, tired costume. Their boards are so generic, so retro, so focused on cosmetics, so unimaginative, so truly NOT custom. Not that they realize this of course. What the average Joe is riding is so disheartening. In many ways it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s only hurting them, but at least they don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t know it, proof that God is kind.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, what is the problem?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAn insightful friend pointed out to me that most surfers today have some sort of \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcX\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 length formula burned into their brain. It states something to the effect that they feel \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcOK\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 about riding a 9-0 at age 35. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s safe, not too prone to ridicule\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6All based on what the \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcculture\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 tells them is OK. At age 40, they compensate upwards to a 9-6, and continue upward. Just add 4\u00e2\u20ac\u009d for every birthday over 40.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThis is the most basic situation in the ever-aging surfing population. And even with that being the case, do you EVER see anything different for this huge mass of surfers? Never. What is culturally acceptable, not personally interesting, is what determines personal board choice. If you step outside this culturally accepted \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcnorm\u00e2\u20ac\u2122, watch out. What? A guy with something different?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTake your average aging surfer, liking longer boards but not really having the skills to ride like David N. on the nose. I fall into that category. I love the glide and trim of longer boards, but I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve never hung ten, rarely five. How about you? Anyone else want to raise their hand?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, why is it?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere are few forward thinkers in the surfing world, maybe even less so in the ranks of your common shaper. Unimaginative shapers, all replicating someone else\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s tired ideas from 10-30 years ago. If left to the shapers out there, your average 45 year old will be riding the same board in 2045 as he is today. If the surf culture en masse started experimenting, the average guy\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s surfing would improve. So too, would shapers be forced to begin a sort of design quest, and you might have 500 shapers making improvements and contributions.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRead any sailing magazine and realize how skilled and educated even your basic boat designer is, and the difference between him and a surfboard shaper is almost cosmic in the distance between the two. Look at all the truly innovative boat hulls coming out, and witness an industry that is truly led by change, and willing to move forward and try new things. There\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s little that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s even close in the surfing industry. There is the shapes themselves are about as refined as they\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re ever going to get.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBack to the \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcchallenge\u00e2\u20ac\u2122.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFor me, over the years, after experiencing that feeling of \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcthe glide\u00e2\u20ac\u2122, I fell in love with it. The sensation of being so in trim, not outrunning, not falling behind the wave. Just locked in to the waves speed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhere I surf, we have a lot of beach breaks. When the seasons change from summer to fall we get a lot of swell. Combine that with some stiff offshore winds, and you have excellent conditions. One of the drawbacks to those conditions is the expanded playing field. Paddling power is paramount to getting good waves, with shifting peaks up and down, inshore and out. Shortboarders sit inside, duckdive and get quick rides. That\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s fine if you like to duckdive and get quick rides. With a more powerful paddling board, I have the vehicle in which to sit 50 \u00e2\u20ac\"75 yards outside and get in the waves way early. I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m able to catch a cresting unbroken wave, drop in, set a line and speed, high and tight through where the shortboarders are and fly way further down the line, due to the speed achieved from a longer set up area. Ride fast and kick out and use the paddling advantage again to get back outside before the next waves catch you inside. The key is paddling speed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHow can you ride one and NOT see the benefits of it all?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe \u00e2\u20ac\u0153average\u00e2\u20ac\u009d longboard has just too much width in the nose and middle. On waves with some juice, that width just gets in the way\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6If you\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re not gonna really ride the nose, why have that width. It just doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t fit the waves as well as something more streamlined.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe board I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m riding I shaped a few years ago. It sat mostly unridden for a long time. But I broke it out early this summer for some very clean, empty point waves in this region. That session has hooked me on the undeniable quality of the ride these boards offer. The more I ride it, the more it makes sense.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m not talking about 17\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 boards or anything in that range\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6Human scale here.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhat\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s got me so stoked is a 12\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 Surf/ Paddleboard. I envisioned a board that had the qualities of both genres, without compromising the better aspects of each. A tough balance, but do-able. Out of a custom cut Clark 12'3\", I templated a narrow, fairly parallel outline. Maximum width 20\u00e2\u20ac\u009d. The maximum thickness is 3.75\u00e2\u20ac\u009d. I shaped a typical paddle board entry, rolled vee for the first two feet or so, running to a gentle belly roll for a few more feet (we are talking lots of board) and ending in a harder edged pulled in round tail, with a flat vee panel running up about three feet from the tail. Single fin box, thank you. The key to combining the best of both aspects of paddle / surf, is having a generously domed deck to carry the thickness, and a bottom with moderate belly that rolls out to a rail that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ll still wrap water and hold in. A full length chine can add some more bite if you need that. The rolled bottom and the large flat vee panel keep it loose rail to rail. The boards length precludes most sudden direction changes, but the early entry, and the speed available through that, allow plenty of set up time for what\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s ahead. With practice some mind bending right go left ( and visa/versa) takeoffs are achievable and repeatable.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt is a great riding board, it can get around falling sections and of course has a lot of drive (what would you expect from 12\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 of rail). Besides, you can catch a ripple with it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFinally, because of their stubbornness to expand their minds, other surfers might look at my board and laugh, think I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m a wannabe big wave hero, and misunderstand the principles behind the design choice. Yet at the end of the day my wave count is almost always higher. And I guarantee that I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m the one smiling when I leave the water.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou can argue it is all fun, and it all works, but it is a lot more fun when you catch more waves and at this age that is all I really want to do.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSome might figure that I \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcwent big\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 to compensate for my age, when in fact that has never figured into my formula. My fitness level is well above average for my years. I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve got witnesses.My inherent surfing skills are about as refined as they are ever going to be (realistically, I've passed the peak of my inherent refined surfing skills, and at this point of my life it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s mostly refinement).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs has been said before \"If you can't out surf \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcem, out think \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcem.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCAUTION: Anyone with such a powerful wave catcher MUST NOT over use such an effective tool in even moderately crowded conditions. It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s just not cool to be a wave hog. Instead, smile, encourage and share.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tWelcome to the forum Paul, this is pretty much what it's like these days.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n...but I can see where they're coming from.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI don't ride 9'-9'6\" noseriders to be unique or cutting edge, for me it is merely carrying on a beautiful tradition. Up here in the PNW small clean walled up beachbreak peaks are rarer than I'd prefer but in santa cruz or socal most of the time the waves are better suited for the traditional noseriding boards and style than any other imo (better than hopping mush on a thruster, right?). Down there the average joe does get fives and tens if he puts some time into it, I mean hell they get small clean waves 200-300 days a year. I figure the nature of the waves in the surfing hotspots in cali had a lot to do with the shapes of the traditional boards that were developed there as well as their fixation on noseriding (of which I am a big fan, and yes I can hang five or ten given the right conditions).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n9'-9\"6\" longboards are imo, for the average sized surfer, the best combo of noseridability while still retaining some ability to turn, which you have do do once and a while even at the bu. Since I got an 8'2\" fineline mz that I could get legit 10s on I've been leaning more toward shorter boards than I used to ride (from 9'6\"-9'8\" to 8'-9'4\"). I'm personally not convinced that going over 9'8\" or so makes a board any easier to noseride for me but for bigger guys it makes sense.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBut, alas, you're talking glide, not noseriding. When I think of glide I think of the skipper and for all sorts of perfect to not so perfect waves I think it's a cool way to look at surfing, more middle of the board trimming (stylishly of course)...but idk if that's really any less old, tired, and unimaginative than noseriding really (older and tireder actually). I'm personally not a big fan of the guys that ride huge boards with little to no maneuverability that sit on the outside and grab every set wave before anyone else has the chance but it sounds like you practice some restraint and I'd imagine you surf plenty of days where crowds aren't a problem. Get several guys with the bigger board attitude at a crowded peak though and they're just as bad as SUP's. I can dig your paddleboard trip but all in all it's not too far from roy's olo philosophy.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI appreciate you sharing your perspective but shortboarders get some pretty long waves sometimes too and imo they do a lot more with them a lot closer to the curl than most long or longerboarders, myself included. Much of what you said stands pretty true in the PNW but things are much different in cali...your paddleboard philosophy may not be so warmly welcomed on a crowded day at rincon...but I can see where you're coming from if you mostly surf up here and mad props for charging the big stuff...I'm over it lol, probably moving to the cruz soon to join the ranks of the lemmings lol.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou did kinda come across as the quintessential jaded PNW surfer, which is so core right now, just don't judge the whole surf world because of what you see in PNW lineups and surf mags.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tWell stated and with much more empathy than I displayed."], ["39813", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 74, "SuperKool", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T08:45:45-0400", "I think it would be tough to argue that there's not a lot of innovation going on within the 4' to 10' range these days, although perhaps within certain limits. Anything over 10' is often not even considered because they TURN LIKE SHIZNIT! There's more to surfing than wave count...at least for some of us that aren't named roy...and there's this thing called the curl, you may not always get back out to the lineup with dry hair when you flirt with it but...well, Paul has left the building anyway.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWas that better Rat? More like my snooty self lol.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou gonna be surfin this weekend? I was in SC last weekend, fri and monday were fun at pleasure. Might end up going rafting or hiking with a friend who is in town but of course if I have my way I'll be at the beach."], ["39815", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 75, "RATZAX", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T09:28:58-0400", "It was good at Indian in the AM. Had some LOOOONG rights. Surfed the south end and the waves held up nicely. Got a long cheater 5. Never had a clean nose ride but some long clean rides.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nGonna Try for Sat or Sun AM\n\n\n\n Sold The ITP for $650 it was just sitting since I got the Levitator"], ["39817", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 76, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T10:03:55-0400", "SuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Anything over 10' is often not even considered because they TURN LIKE SHIZNIT!\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nOnly because they are badly designed by almost everyone.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39818", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 77, "Kaholo", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T10:08:25-0400", "Nice!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAttached files \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view"], ["39819", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 78, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T10:28:11-0400", "SuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n there's this thing called the curl, you may not always get back out to the lineup with dry hair when you flirt with it but...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n12 feet of wood. All this bleating about how bad big boards and SUP's are is just a pathetic hidebound attempt to stifle innovation via social censuring, it smacks of the Simmons attitude.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39821", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 79, "RATZAX", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T10:55:08-0400", ""], ["39822", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 80, "SuperKool", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T11:23:31-0400", "I've been through this before with you roy I respect your take on updating the olo and yes you can get tubed on anything...blah blah blah...just because everyone gives you crap for your semi-valid contributions doesn't mean that all other shapes are worthless get over it and open YOUR mind!"], ["39823", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 81, "SuperKool", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T11:27:22-0400", "And if you wanna claim that your boards or any other board over 10 ft turns better than a thruster then just shut up. Sorry ya'll, the sake is getting to me. Commence alcohol lecture from roy..."], ["39825", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 82, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T11:32:15-0400", "1) I've never said that all other shapes are worthless.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n2) It's not true that everyone gives me crap.. only a few persistent trolls do that.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n3)Mal riders were happy to have a wave catching advantage, but now some of you bleat when more capable equipment shows up."], ["39826", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 83, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T11:34:53-0400", "SuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n And if you wanna claim that your boards or any other board over 10 ft turns better than a thruster then just shut up. Sorry ya'll, the sake is getting to me. Commence alcohol lecture from roy...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nDon't post when drunk.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nyou are mixing apples and pears and oranges... i.e. designer, length, and fin system. Thus your post makes no sense.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs for turning, mals are tail pivoters, an inherently poor system in my opinion.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39828", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 84, "SuperKool", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T11:47:44-0400", "Roy Stewart\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n And if you wanna claim that your boards or any other board over 10 ft turns better than a thruster then just shut up. Sorry ya'll, the sake is getting to me. Commence alcohol lecture from roy...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nDon't post when drunk.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nyou are mixing apples and pears and oranges... i.e. designer, length, and fin system. Thus your post makes no sense.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs for turning, mals are tail pivoters, an inherently poor system in my opinion.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tfor god sake at least I only do it once in a while and apparently you're the only one left who is not bored by this site when they're sober...but anyway tail pivoting is inferior why? it's sure a lot tighter though right?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nand where are the vids/pics of you shooting spray?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nfor those of you who have employed the ignore option, ignore me its ok I've mostly been trying to ignore myself lately too...but I'd take just one of my bodysurfing rides at pleasure monday over roy's crap...so I guess that's a little bit simmonsy for a noserider isn't it roy...me and 99.99999% of surfers are just slaves to propaganda and you've got it all figured out...who'd figure you'd still be a dbag???"], ["39829", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 85, "SuperKool", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T11:56:27-0400", "watch and learn moron\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI like my coffee with tons of baileys in it"], ["39830", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 86, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T11:58:02-0400", "SuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy Stewart\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n And if you wanna claim that your boards or any other board over 10 ft turns better than a thruster then just shut up. Sorry ya'll, the sake is getting to me. Commence alcohol lecture from roy...\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nDon't post when drunk.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nyou are mixing apples and pears and oranges... i.e. designer, length, and fin system. Thus your post makes no sense.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs for turning, mals are tail pivoters, an inherently poor system in my opinion.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\ntail pivoting is inferior why?\u00c2 it's sure a lot tighter though right?\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nTail pivoting on longboards requires walking to get into trim again, this is inherently inefficient. the design features which promote it are detrimental to ease, accuracy of turning and turn radius while in trim.. just for a start.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTail pivoting does allow tighter turns, but is detrimental to longer turns.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n and where are the vids/pics of you shooting spray?\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nSpray shooting should, for turning efficiency, be minimised.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe assumption that the goal of turning is 'throwing spray' is a retarded, outdated trick surfing based paradigm, and is in my opinion another example of the herd mentality which Paul was talking about.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n ."], ["39831", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 87, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T12:01:20-0400", "SuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n watch and learn moron\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI like my coffee with tons of baileys in it \n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThat's a short boarding video, it is irrelevant.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39834", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 88, "SuperKool", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T12:03:50-0400", "Roy Stewart\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy Stewart\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nTail pivoting does allow tighter turns, but is detrimental to longer turns.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n and where are the vids/pics of you shooting spray?\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nSpray shooting should, for turning efficiency, be minimised.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe assumption that the goal of turning is 'throwing spray' is a retarded, outdated trick surfing based paradigm, and is in my opinion another example of the herd mentality which Paul was talking about.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tnobody was talking about tail pivoting longboards, which is usually deployed to get back in position for a good noseride.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI'm not saying shooting spray is the end all be all, but it allows them to remain closer to the curl in a mushy section than \"longer turns\" right?"], ["39835", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 89, "SuperKool", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T12:06:11-0400", "Roy Stewart\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n watch and learn moron\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI like my coffee with tons of baileys in it \n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThat's a short boarding video, it is irrelevant.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tok, not \"worthless\" just irrelevant? didn't they become relevant when I introduced them to the argument?"], ["39836", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 90, "Finward", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T12:13:09-0400", "DAMIT someone quoted him! This is like a Amish person telling you their horse and buggy is the most efficient transportation."], ["39837", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 91, "nedsurf", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T12:29:45-0400", "I ignored a Roy\n\n\n\nit seems silent and calm now\n\n\n\npeace with a mouse click"], ["39839", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 92, "rapier_96", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T13:43:44-0400", "Roy Stewart\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Tail pivoting on longboards requires walking to get into trim again, this is inherently inefficient.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tYeah, but it's fun though.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDon't forget Roy, that's what it's all about.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFun, Fun, Fun"], ["39841", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 93, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T14:24:00-0400", "SuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy Stewart\n wrote: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSuperKool\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n watch and learn moron\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI like my coffee with tons of baileys in it \n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThat's a short boarding video, it is irrelevant.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nok, not \"worthless\" just irrelevant?\u00c2 didn't they become relevant when I introduced them to the argument?\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nYou just posted a short board video without any argument at all, if you think that the video is relevant in some way then please explain why.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39842", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 94, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T14:26:06-0400", "Finward\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n This is like a Amish person telling you their horse and buggy is the most efficient transportation.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThe horse and buggy could well be the most efficient transportation, but in other respects the analogy is not at all apt, as you'd soon find out if we surfed at the same breaks.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39843", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 95, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T14:29:57-0400", "rapier_96\n wrote:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRoy Stewart\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Tail pivoting on longboards requires walking to get into trim again, this is inherently inefficient.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\tYeah, but it's fun though.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDon't forget Roy, that's what it's all about.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFun, Fun, Fun\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nSurely it is up to the individual rider to decide what it is 'all about' rather than determination via some official industry consensus ...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFace it you lot are malibu icecream stick board walking clones, who moan when your surfing world is confronted with vehicles which are higher in the food chain.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."], ["39844", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 96, "jonzer", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T14:50:52-0400", "Roy. Could you post a video of the following:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n1. You (or anyone on one of your boards) actually making it out of a barrel. \n\n\n\n2. Someone other than you surfing one of your boards..\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhile your at it, are there any independent reviews of your boards by a respected surfer?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhile no one questions your wood working skills, your biased puffery and hyper-technical (and seemingly supported only by you) claims do not seem to be convincing anyone that the boards perform well."], ["39845", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 97, "rapier_96", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T14:52:45-0400", "malibu icecream stick board walking clones\n\n\n\n.\n \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI looked that up, it wasn't in the dicktionary"], ["39848", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 98, "Jaimo", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T15:07:06-0400", "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzXaFbxDcM&feature=youtube_gdata_player"], ["39851", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 99, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T16:50:04-0400", "Jonzer what you are asking is essentially 'are your boards industry approved?' and to that the answer is no... they are industry censured.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRegarding respected surfers: respected by whom?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBarrel wise I've had plenty on them."], ["39853", "462", "A few years ago, this posted...", 100, "Roy Stewart", "Jun 20, 2012", "2012-06-20T16:53:08-0400", "What's also happening is that the best that the mentally deficient around here can do is play the man rather than the ball."]], "truncated": false, "filtered_table_rows_count": 195, "expanded_columns": [], "expandable_columns": [[{"column": "thread_id", "other_table": "threads", "other_column": "thread_id"}, null]], "columns": ["post_id", "thread_id", "thread_title", "post_number", "author_username", "post_date", "post_date_iso", "post_body"], "primary_keys": ["post_id"], "units": {}, "query": {"sql": "select post_id, thread_id, thread_title, post_number, author_username, post_date, post_date_iso, post_body from posts where \"thread_id\" = :p0 order by post_id limit 101", "params": {"p0": "462"}}, "facet_results": {}, "suggested_facets": [{"name": "post_date", "toggle_url": "http://surf-archive.org/surfing/posts.json?thread_id=462&_facet=post_date"}], "next": "39853", "next_url": "http://surf-archive.org/surfing/posts.json?thread_id=462&_next=39853", "private": false, "allow_execute_sql": true, "query_ms": 12.476010000682436, "license": "Public Domain"}